elithren Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 So I was wondering on what you guys thoughts were on the Terminus Decree. Based off of what it says, I am willing to be it has something to do with bringing the Emperor back (via some resurrection spell, star children, etc). It would be nice if they somehow progress the story in 6th edition to the point where some epic battle is going to take place, like they Eye of terror style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 So I was wondering on what you guys thoughts were on the Terminus Decree. Based off of what it says, I am willing to be it has something to do with bringing the Emperor back (via some resurrection spell, star children, etc). It would be nice if they somehow progress the story in 6th edition to the point where some epic battle is going to take place, like they Eye of terror style. "In case of emergency, break glass." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2712156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elithren Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 Lol, exactly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2712186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor1234 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I seem to remember reading a piece of fluff somewhere that stated that when the emperor's body finally dies, his psychic essence will be released obliterating chaos and the warp with it or something along these lines.... reading the terminus Decree sounds like a doomsday button, the imperium is being overwhelmed by chaos and cannot be saved, unless!!! 'push button' BOOOOM! emperor dies and saves humanity one final time...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2712187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I believe it is stated in the Inquisitor rulebook that there is a method/technology for removing the Emperor from the Golden Throne, but they don't know what the consequences will be and therefore must not let this happen for the risk of damning humanity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2712193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I sounded more like a failsafe to me. "Last one out shuts the lights..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2713465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 One of the few bits of new fluff I actually liked in the GK codex, to me it seems to nicely fit in with the previous fluff with have about various =][= factions warring over whether or not to turn off the Golden Throne, some think it will release the Emperor who can then remanifest into a new form, some think that it will simply kill him and humanity will be lost. Cool stuff really, hopefully 6th ed will do it, bring back the emperor! Might make my model useable too :D ~Gil ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2713628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadren Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 One of the few bits of new fluff I actually liked in the GK codex, to me it seems to nicely fit in with the previous fluff with have about various =][= factions warring over whether or not to turn off the Golden Throne, some think it will release the Emperor who can then remanifest into a new form, some think that it will simply kill him and humanity will be lost. Cool stuff really, hopefully 6th ed will do it, bring back the emperor! Might make my model useable too :D ~Gil ^_^ Games Workshop advance the story?! HERESY!!! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2713657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Games Workshop advance the story?! HERESY!!! ;) TBF it has gone from Grim/Dark future to even grimmer with every iteration and given the use of the term "the time of ending" in 5th ed and the fact we've reached 999.M41 it seems that we have to go somewhere or else everything stagnates. What was my point... o right, GW do advance the story, just very fractionally. ~Gil ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2713662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 ...we've reached 999.M41 ...We've been at 999.M41 since 1999. There was a bit of a brough-ha-ha over a decade ago when they found they could no longer match year for year and still use the tag line "... In the Grim Darkness of the Forty First Millenium ..." because the forty second just didn't have the same ring to it. Yes, the Y(4)2K crisis echos on in our hobby. Were I in Merritt's shoes, I'd use my powers to change the tag line to "... In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future ..." and resolve it with the stroke of a pen and a suble re-branding. Make the change quitely in the sixth ed rulebook with a companion white drawf article and it should go fairly smoothly, no more than a few months before the whole thing blows over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2713675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Can someone give a page reference to this? I'd like to read it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2714260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakehunter52 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I am still waiting for my codex to get here but I have heard blurbs about this. Without seeing the exact verbiage, I can only guess but here is what I have come up w/ (serious spoilers): We also know that this is Malcador's last words. That's big because it is NOT the Emperor's. Yet they were both best friends and cared about each other. I believe the Emperor himself said that he was his closest friend and wisest adviser. So we know that this is going to be working in accordance to their wishes, the preservation of Man. But here's the big word: when? When did he write this? When he was on the throne? During the Siege of Terra? Before the siege? I imagine that Malcador has some farseeing ability, for he preserved a bit of himself to restore the Emperor some before he assumed the Throne. Thus, he must of known that the Emperor would be wounded, most likely because of the love he had for his son Horus. So it seems most likely that he would write the Terminus decree the same time he decided to preserve that bit of himself, one of those "just in case everything goes to hell" sort of moments. Okay, now this is where I wish I saw the exact wording. I wish I knew the requirements for looking at the decree because that would determine a lot of what it could contain. For example, "Should Terra fall..." could mean a lot different than "Should the Golden Throne fail..." The only reason why the Emperor isn't up and about is because he is trying to stop daemons from spilling out into Terra and totally destroying the Astronomicon and all the precious tech and resources there (oh...and the people i guess). But hey, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. So, should new faces start showing up, it could be simply take the Emperor off the throne, get him to a safe place so he can heal himself and blast Terra into oblivion. However, I doubt that this is what Malcador is talking about from the context "Terminus" meaning "end" meaning most likely "bad end". Further more, this is an order from Malcador, meaning that it will be in Humanity's interest, not the Emperor's necessarily. Or on second thought, the gravity of what is to be done will require the two greatest persons of the Imperium to allow this (kinda like two keys authorizing a nuke), especially when you have to deal w/ the High Lords of Terra. Does this mean the ultimate sacrilege, killing the Emperor? Possibly. But I don't think so, at least not in this way. I don't see anything beneficial in killing the Emperor unless you had some really big wraithstone unless the Star Child/Illuminati theories were true. But why then name it "The Ending Decree"? Wouldn't be the "New Beginning Decree"? I think it is because it tells the Grey Knights that Terra is un-savable, that it must be abandoned to allow Humanity to survive. And that's tough because it is the home, the mother of Man and it will have to be destroyed just like a cancerous cell. Not only that, the current system will no longer be sustainable and many will die in the transition. And what about the Emperor in this? Well, I think they will simply just try to take him away from there and hope for the best. I doubt he will like it because he knows that everything he built will now be lost in a new age of complete darkness and may never be recoverable and he may not be recoverable and either remain a husk or just fade away... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2714346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosPhoenix Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Is it the reboot button? I don't know. The word "terminus" doesn't sound so optimistic. Didn't the lastest rulebook state, the Astronomican started to flicker and fade? With the new rulebook coming later next year and the very very vague rumor being a starter box without vanilla SM... maybe they really want to advance a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2714376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakehunter52 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Is it the reboot button? I don't know. The word "terminus" doesn't sound so optimistic. Truuuuuuu........ Didn't the lastest rulebook state, the Astronomican started to flicker and fade? With the new rulebook coming later next year and the very very vague rumor being a starter box without vanilla SM... maybe they really want to advance a bit. Yep, along w/ ir-repairable flaws in the Golden Throne. Question is, is it the life support giving out or is it the mechanism that holds the daemons at bay? If it's the webway mechanism, that means that Emperor had to devote even more of his might to holding them at bay and he had a slight miscalculation. If it's his life support, that means he is dying and so is his psychic might. Frankly I prefer the former but either way, it is not good. I don't know about advancing, I heard it's Sisters and CSM. Nothing too groundbreaking there....I think we will see some more in the HH books as they come closer to the Siege of Terra and the final confrontation between Father and Son. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2714393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Terminus Decree eh? Sounds like the Illuminati are winning :D Thorians FTW ;) http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Illuminati http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Star_Child Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2714821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin_valdor Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Hey new here and i was going to start my own terminus thread but look here =D anyway hi *waves* Right back to topic, after careful reading and checking online etc i have a few theories about it, one terminus means end of the road etc etc as you all know and decree is an order/ set of instructions, so we have an end of the road order...O.o but what could it be!! based on the little info in the GK codex it has something to do with the throne itself not definitely the Emperor himself and it is only rumoured to be a match to the seal on the golden throne, so could it be to do with the webway underneath the throne, but would a weapon that could destroy the webway affect the warp? im saying warp as if its in the hands of the grey knights it must be something daemonic or warp related. Or could the throne have another function that we dont know about, maybe with a powerful enough psyker it could send a massive psychic shockwave disrupting warp travel, communication, the eye of terror and maybe even sealing the warp off from the material realm, saving and both damning the imperium from chaos. But whatever it is (im going with end game weapon, ultimate sanction etc) why were the knights entrusted with it and not the Custodes who are above all imperial bodies save the Emperor and primarchs, surely these warriors who walk in the Emperors presence should decide the fate of the Imperium not Astartes, and as some have suggested elsewhere the terminus decree could mean killing the Emperor and if thats the case the Custodes sure as hell wouldnt let that happen =) so have it im still thinking up theories lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2714868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Curious note.. anyone else notice that the 4 "Lords of Inquisitive nature" match up exactly with the previously published background to the Inquisition in the Thorian Sourcebook (available on GW's website as a PDF last I checked in the Inquisitor game section), which many had tried to argue before wasn't canon? :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Having read all the Horus Heresy up to now, and read all the new codex I have to say the best guess is it's a final option for shutting down the golden throne. Because in the entry it mentions the two boxes looking like a key and lock my best guess is this: Should Terra finally be threatened by invasion and the Grey Knights are all that is left defending the throne they plug that box in to kill the emperor and set him free. Basically a last ditch option to at least find out what happens if he dies, perhaps he can reform himself or battle in the warp or what have you. Whatever it is, we wont get to find out for a long time I'm guessing. I really enjoyed the HH fluff for the founding, I was a bit disappointed that Garro (Perhaps he is one of the four inquisitor lords) wasn't involved by name in any of it but oh well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I think it shuts off the warp gate that is the basis for a webway portal- such as is housed inside the golden throne. If they shut it off the beings inside it get sent directly into the warp.... killing most creatures, banishing the demons, and who knows what thatll do to the big E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Regardless, it was my favorite piece of fluff in the book. It feels like with the last few books that GW is actually building up to something. The Tyranid book talked about how the Astronomicon is drawing the Tyranids straight at Earth, Dante's vision of battling at the Golden Throne, Justicar Thrawn having the same vision, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Yeah it does appear that they are building to something, I rather hope they do. It would be nice though if their writers could at least talk with the black library to get some concrete rules of the universe down. I would like to see the Horus Heresy stuff linking with the codex entries. That and most of the writers of the codex fluff seem to underwhelm me in comparison to the BL writers. I know some folks have hated on Dan Abnett but he's the best thing 40k has going for writing. He actually seems to do his homework on fluff. Anyway, if there is one thing we can be sure of it is that whatever goes down at the Golden Throne it will involve our glorious Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosPhoenix Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Where do you all get the webway idea from? Not that it's wrong, I just don't know how it came up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 If I recall it talks about the webway portal in both the collected visions series and the Thousand Sons book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I really enjoyed the HH fluff for the founding, I was a bit disappointed that Garro (Perhaps he is one of the four inquisitor lords) wasn't involved by name in any of it but oh well. I don't think he's one of the four, they're normal humans. My guess is he's one of the unknown eight Space Marines "some of which were from traitor legions" :tu: The four are gone over in the Thorian Sourcebook for the Inquisitor game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I must say that despite my relative youth in the hobby, I'm perhaps one of the more conservative/puritan when it regards fluff... I would prefer it if GW perhaps justs stuck around at the end of the 41st for a bit longer, and kept a few things more shrouded in mystery (I actually think that some of the info given in the HH novels is just a bit too much, and personalizes a legend that is supposed to be epic, and shrouded in legend). Despite that, I'm liking the mysterious Terminus decree... something suitably apocalyptic, activated in the twilight of humanity as a last ;) you to existence. While we're on GK, I don't think they should have confirmed the nature of their founding. It might be true, but I would prefer it if the wording was more ambiguous, rather than presented as fact. Then, in the HH books, they could have had passing references that would back it up, like Horus remarking that Titan has mysteriously disappeared, cryptic conversations between 12 hooded and unnamed individuals in the palace, Malcador's long unexplained absence... it would have been so much more satisfying to work it out like that, than get it spoon-fed to us... To me, the 40k universe should be shrouded in darkness, half-known facts, ancient mysteries and the like. Seems so much more immersive and dangerous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226465-terminus-decree/#findComment-2715558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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