No Psyker Dreads?

[Night Runner]

I am no expert on the GK, but does anybody else find the lack of Librarian dreads in the codex a bit discordant, when the GK have more pyskers than the Blood Angels?

 

Besides that, I like the codex a lot (except for some of the fluff which is getting worse and more childish) and it has me thinking of building a terminator army, since it is the only codex that allows one to do this without the need to field a special character. (We never use them at my club unless the battle is part of a campaign)

[RamrodMC]

All Grey Knights are psykers. Not all psykers are Librarian-level psykers. Most Grey Knights, though psychic, are not going to beat Njall Stormcaller or Mephiston in a battle of minds.

 

The Grey Knights not having Libby dreads is a little weird, though. But then again I'd have phrased it more like "it's a little weird that only BA have them".

[Souba]

our dreads are at least psykers to a little degree. with their nemesis doomfists they are still able to inflict instant death because they are force weapons. on top of that there is fortitude.

 

most grey knights dont cast shiny spells. unlike the purifiers and the libby's spells there is not much but force weapons and some stat buffs wich, the dread got too.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

The whole point of Grey Knights is that most of their psychic power is focused inwardly, on supporting their squad latent field (and then channelled through the more experienced and powerful Justicar/Flame Knight). Only their Librarians are sufficiently powerful to actually change reality and still be just as pure as their battle-brothers (as both are very taxing).

 

'Fortitude' and DCCW that are also force weapons (double win) is more than enough of a rules representation of their psychic might. Remember, only a handful of Knights ever become Dreadnoughts, and they consider it unkind to wake their ancients (as they only do it in times of crisis). Plus, the ruined body within might only be able to summon a glimmer of the power they once had, represented by their lack of any unique powers (aside from the army-wide 'Fortitude' on vehicles).

 

Blood Angels are hax anyway, it would've been boring just to copy them. As it is, we get some cool unique rules that are actually pretty useful (S10 and force weapon means by bye Monstrous Creature, and ignoring stun/shaken is awesome)

[Iron Lord]

All Grey Knights are psykers. Not all psykers are Librarian-level psykers. Most Grey Knights, though psychic, are not going to beat Njall Stormcaller or Mephiston in a battle of minds.

 

In a "maximum number of powers used per turn" contest, Grey Knight Librarians with the Mastery 3 upgrade, are up there with guys like Mephiston.

 

So one could say they have non-character psykers more powerful than anyone else.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Yeah, but no one takes that upgrade. Even if they did, it's meant to represent the rare number of senior Librarians who train initiates and know all the secret lore locked in the basement.

[Iron Lord]

True- it's probably not cost effective. Still- the option is there- and the basic librarian is comparable to other people's Epistolaries.

 

I'd say the codex does fairly well at making the Grey Knights "the most psychically powerful chapter".

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Yeah, psyker dreads aren't really neccessary. I mean, it would've been fun to have flying Dreadnoughts, but combined with flying Dreadknights, I can see why people would be rioting in the streets. 6 x flying anvils landing in enemy lines and tearing up faces would've gotten too much.

[Eorek]

@ Reclusiarch Darius

 

Well... Seeing as the flying dreadnought is a blood angel specific power... Dosn't that mean Greyknight dreadnoughts would cast the greyknight-y stuff?: >

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I was just exaggerating to make a point of why they perhaps didn't go down that route. But yeah, if they did, we probably wouldn't get a 'lol i haz wings' power like Blood Angels.

[EPK]

To the lack of Libby Dread simply come down to game balance? Fluff why, yes, I find it odd, but there is a lot of plus side to this codex already.

[DV8]

To the lack of Libby Dread simply come down to game balance? Fluff why, yes, I find it odd, but there is a lot of plus side to this codex already.

 

Actually, fluff-wise it's not too unlikely. Remember that Grey Knight Librarians, while powerful psykers, are also key targets in any conflict/Daemonic assault. It is more reasonable to assume that most Grey Knight Librarians simply aren't crippled to a point where their body is shattered, but still alive enough to interr in a Dreadnought. More likely the case, a Daemonic assault that has already crippled a Grey Knight Librarian so will probably aim to (and successfully) kill him entirely.

 

 

DV8

[Liberame]

To the lack of Libby Dread simply come down to game balance? Fluff why, yes, I find it odd, but there is a lot of plus side to this codex already.

 

Actually, fluff-wise it's not too unlikely. Remember that Grey Knight Librarians, while powerful psykers, are also key targets in any conflict/Daemonic assault. It is more reasonable to assume that most Grey Knight Librarians simply aren't crippled to a point where their body is shattered, but still alive enough to interr in a Dreadnought. More likely the case, a Daemonic assault that has already crippled a Grey Knight Librarian so will probably aim to (and successfully) kill him entirely.

 

 

DV8

 

Beat me to it! (Darn you classes)

[DV8]

Beat me to it! (Darn you classes)

 

:)

 

 

DV8

[EPK]

It crossed my mind that maybe the Librarians just aren't dying, but that didn't really make sense... it didn't cross my mind that being on the loosing end of a battle with a daemon may leave your mind and body utterly destroyed or close to it.

 

So yes, I can buy that. I guess on the other hand, if it was strictly a balance thing, we still would want a fluffy reasoning, so there it is.