Jump to content

Bjorn: The man with multiple amputations


Recommended Posts

Anyone else noticed that Bjorn the Fell Handed seems to lose his arm in two seperate events on Prospero. In Prospero Burns, its to some Horus/Amon/Navid deamon that tears it off while trying to save Hawser. In collected visons, he seem's to be in a different rank and gets it poisoned by a Thousand Sons sorcerer. Am I reading this wrong? Or do we have other canon issue on our hand?
This is one of those instances where what actually happened isn't the same as what Imperial records state. Given the nature of Imperial records (and their age, let alone their intriguing preference for 'good facts' over 'true facts'), it'll be a prevalent theme in the whole Age of Darkness.
No, I don't think it is. I'm pretty certain there'll be references to Valdor doing it by the end of the series.

 

Facts changed for the benefit of the in-universe humans is fine, but from my point of view, it is a retcon of older fluff. With all due respect, you can shout "propaganda" and "lies" at the Collected Visions, but IMO that is just a way for writers to purposely change some of the established fluff.

No, I don't think it is. I'm pretty certain there'll be references to Valdor doing it by the end of the series.

 

Facts changed for the benefit of the in-universe humans is fine, but from my point of view, it is a retcon of older fluff. With all due respect, you can shout "propaganda" and "lies" at the Collected Visions, but IMO that is just a way for writers to purposely change some of the established fluff.

 

I'm not sure what it is, myself. I just reckon it'll be Valdor by the end of the Heresy, one way or another.

It will probably end up being Valdor by virtue of the Wolves not wanting to admit its was a human who did it. A human who's been influenced by the Chaos Gods and that they currently have in stasis instead of doing the sensible thing and putting a bolter round through his skull
And Collected Visions. Which was why I was confused. Recent canon cortradicting itself already. Ah well, A D-B seem's in the know, suprised Black Library let him out to chat with us. Thought they had you lot chained to the writing chairs! :lol:

There's still time for Bjorn to be inducted into Russ' Wolf Guard.

As I recall it's mentioned in the earlier fluff that Bjorn was the youngest or newest member of the Wolf Guard when Russ leaves for the Eye of Terror following the heresy.

Happy to be proven different!

it's more about learning the truth about the events at Prospero. Even Hawser mentions in the story, he tells about is the truth. What we knew before Abnett's book, was what was pretty much told to everyone else as a cover story. Kinda like saying "it was only weather balloons" Classified info is classified. If word got out that chaos was so deep rooted in its schemes, and that chaos manipulated its way to influence major events and people, it would cause mass panic and paranoia. My only question is, if the emperor knew the truth of what happened after at Prospero?!
it's more about learning the truth about the events at Prospero. Even Hawser mentions in the story, he tells about is the truth. What we knew before Abnett's book, was what was pretty much told to everyone else as a cover story. Kinda like saying "it was only weather balloons" Classified info is classified. If word got out that chaos was so deep rooted in its schemes, and that chaos manipulated its way to influence major events and people, it would cause mass panic and paranoia. My only question is, if the emperor knew the truth of what happened after at Prospero?!

 

This is my opinion as well.

 

We have two ways of how the tale could be told;

 

So Bjorn, how did you lose the arm?

 

1. I lost in a battle against a demonic Horus the Warmaster.

 

Or

 

2. I was fighting a Thousand Sons marine who upon dying laid a curse upon my arm and Valdor here cut it off for me.

 

Consider the another event that also happened on Prospero,

 

The VI's little wulfen secret is witnessed by the Custodes and Silent Sisterhood and we hear nothing of any investigation from said Custodes and Sisterhood.

 

Now that lends some credence that the Custodes, the Sisterhood, and even the Emperor would likely be complicit in covering up events that happened on Prospero. How Bjorn lost his arm would just be another thing to be covered up.

Bjorn was one of Russ' wolf guard at the time that Russ departed for the Eye of Terror, which happened nearly 200 years after the Battle of Terra, so he had more than enough time to be promoted after the Battle of Prospero. In fact, I don't think he's ever referenced as being one of Russ' guards at any time during the heresy, is he?
Bjorn was one of Russ' wolf guard at the time that Russ departed for the Eye of Terror, which happened nearly 200 years after the Battle of Terra, so he had more than enough time to be promoted after the Battle of Prospero. In fact, I don't think he's ever referenced as being one of Russ' guards at any time during the heresy, is he?

Where'd you get that number?

Bjorn was one of Russ' wolf guard at the time that Russ departed for the Eye of Terror, which happened nearly 200 years after the Battle of Terra, so he had more than enough time to be promoted after the Battle of Prospero. In fact, I don't think he's ever referenced as being one of Russ' guards at any time during the heresy, is he?

Where'd you get that number?

 

 

He got that from the SW codex 2nd edition which mentions roughly when Russ left the SW if my memory serves me correctly and Adarul Greystalker is correct in stating " he's (Bjorn) never referenced as being one of Russ' guards at any time during the heresy,"

That's correct. Russ was stated as having left the Fang for the last time during the Feast of the Emperor's Ascension 197 years after the Battle of Terra in the 2nd edition codex, but that fact has also been reprinted and you can find it in the 5th edition codex too.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.