Grand master mordrak....invincible.

[Haakon_Stormbrow]

Ok everyone keeps taking ghostknights with mordrak...... why???

 

heres another trick which causes utter heart ache to your opponent.

 

mordrak

 

5 paladins.

 

psycannon, glaive

psycannon, staff

brotherhood banner

glaive, apothecary

glaive.

 

635 total for the 6 models.

 

now heres the sweetness, in the shooting phase, take all damage on mordrak. he either shrugs it of or he might get a wound back.

mordrak makes the unit teleport in turn 1.

mordrak when taking a wound can make a ghost knight join the squad, he is just an extra wound for the pallies to shrug of with there feel no pain.

you don't need a demon hammer in the squad cause mordrak has 1.

the squad has a total of 12 init 6 force attacks, 4 init 4 force attacks and 4 init 4 normal attacks, and 6 str 10 force attacks at init 1. + 4x the number of ghost knights summoned at init 4 with force weapons.

with mordrak summoning a ghostknight when he suffers an unsaved wound (as far as i know feel no pain is not an armour save) this unit will be around for some time.

not to mention mordrak can make the unit scoring if he wishes with grand strategy.

[lordsloth]

Mordrak isnt an IC and cant join paladins as far as I know. Dont have the dex yet though.

[jimboi]

Mordrak isnt an IC and cant join paladins as far as I know. Dont have the dex yet though.

 

^ This. Mordrak is not an IC, but otherwise, would have been a good shout.

[Casual Heresy]

You have to take a unit of Ghost knights if you take Mordrak. He acts like an upgrade character for the ghost knights up until the point they are killed, at which point he becomes an independant character.

[Gentlemanloser]

Incorrect.

 

You never have to take a unit of Ghosts Knights.

 

Without them (either by not tkaing them, or they have - including free ones - all died) Mordrak is a single mini unit. He's never an IC.

[krewl]

With Mordrak not beeing an IC (That's correct) he can never join a unit, but could you join say a librarian to a solo mordak?

 

And if not and you'd take 1 ghost knight, Mordak and then join an IC (that would work) and then what happens if the ghost died.

Would they automatically become 2 separate units or could the Librarian (as example IC) still be joined to Mordrak's unit, now consisting of only Mordrak?

Or would they instantly become 2 separate units as soon as the Ghost died?

[Wildfire]

You have to take a unit of Ghost knights if you take Mordrak. He acts like an upgrade character for the ghost knights up until the point they are killed, at which point he becomes an independant character.

 

Even after all the ghost knights are killed he does not become an IC.

[Gentlemanloser]

With Mordrak not beeing an IC (That's correct) he can never join a unit, but could you join say a librarian to a solo mordak?

 

Nope.

 

And if not and you'd take 1 ghost knight, Mordak and then join an IC (that would work) and then what happens if the ghost died.

Would they automatically become 2 separate units or could the Librarian (as example IC) still be joined to Mordrak's unit, now consisting of only Mordrak?

Or would they instantly become 2 separate units as soon as the Ghost died?

 

2 seperate units. The IC would no longer be able to attach or join Mordrak.

[Liberame]

And if not and you'd take 1 ghost knight, Mordak and then join an IC (that would work) and then what happens if the ghost died.

Would they automatically become 2 separate units or could the Librarian (as example IC) still be joined to Mordrak's unit, now consisting of only Mordrak?

Or would they instantly become 2 separate units as soon as the Ghost died?

 

2 seperate units. The IC would no longer be able to attach or join Mordrak.

 

 

Actually if you had Mordrak with a single Ghost Knight and you attached a Librarian and the Ghost Knight was killed, they would still be together as they are still the same unit. However as soon as you disengage the Librarian from Mordrak, you will be unable to rejoin until another Ghostknight has been made.

[Brother Valerius]

I disagree. The IC rule states that an IC cannot join a unit that only ever consists of one model, however, Mordrak does not meet that qualification. The unit may be only one model at that time, but the unit can be more than one model, so an IC can join him even if he is solo.

[Liberame]

By that logic, can a Tyranid Warrior Prime join a single Carnifex? What if you took a brood of 2 Carnifexi{?} and one had died, could you still join the Prime to the remaining Carnifex?

[Gentlemanloser]

From the same question in the OR thread

 

I'm taking that from;

 

until such point as the Ghost Knights are slain, at which point he reverts to being a single model unit in his own right

 

Which would imply that on his own, ICs can't join him.

[RedemptionNL]

By that logic, can a Tyranid Warrior Prime join a single Carnifex? What if you took a brood of 2 Carnifexi{?} and one had died, could you still join the Prime to the remaining Carnifex?

 

Yeah, joining a Prime to a Carnifex squad, even if it's just 1 Carnifex to begin with, is completely legal. Same goes for Venomthropes, Zoanthropes, Lictors, Pyrovores, etc. The plural is simply Carnifexes btw. :)

[Brother Valerius]

From the same question in the OR thread

 

I'm taking that from;

 

until such point as the Ghost Knights are slain, at which point he reverts to being a single model unit in his own right

 

Which would imply that on his own, ICs can't join him.

 

Ah, but the wording in the IC rule is very clear. It says "units that only ever consist of a single model", which, even if Mordrak has lost his Ghost Knights, doesn't apply as he can potentially gain more.

[Gentlemanloser]

It might be easier to look at it this way.

 

Mordrak is a single mini unit, and *always* is.

 

He has a special rule that allows him to join a unit of Ghost Knights, which come in mulitples from 1-5.

 

If there are any Ghost Knights, other ICs can join *them*, as they don't always consist of a single mini. It just so happens that Mordrak also tags along.

 

If you look at Mordraks army list, you can clearly see he is a unit of a single mini;

 

Unit composition:

1

 

This can *never* change.

 

The Ghost Knights are a seperate unit, with a seperate Army list entry. With a Unit composition of 1-5 (Edit: Well potentially 1-8 if you count the maximum 3 free Ghost Knights)

 

Which allows other ICs to join them.

[Brother Valerius]

Fair enough. I hadn't bothered to check the codex, and was going on what was said here. So really, an IC never ever joins Mordrak, they join a unit of Ghost Knights which Mordrak also happens to be joined to.