Zynk Kaladin Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I don't think the Wolves and Templars would outright hate each other. There will obviously be rivalries between the two because it's their nature, however I think an essence of mutual respect between a Wolf and Templar happens often. Except for the Rune Priests of course... It takes more than that to take out a proud son of Russ! And at least we stay awake during the process. msn-wink.gif :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2716351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Every warrior needs rest after a long night of work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2716360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Not to bash Hallbjorn, but what Gree said is 100% correct. Wolves and Salamanders love humanity and are nice to them. Ultramarines fight for humans and implement things to benefit them, that they might serve the Empire in a better way. Templars kill things for the Empire to survive. They don't have time for the people. They fight for humanity, not for people. It is coincidence that people make up humanity. Perhaps like a Dad who works heaps of hours to pay the mortgage and buy his children stuff. He doesn't have much quality time with them, but his life is for them. If you catch my drift? I like that :lol: Templars; the overworked Daddy of the Imperium O.o I certainly don't hate you mutant psyker loving freaks. I mean...would I hate a puppy just because it had three eyes? Templars dislike Ultra's because of the conflict caused by Guilleman over trying to make Dorn adhre to his new codex. Which if anything strengthens the bond between our 'Chapters' because we both stood our ground but in the end conceded for the good of the imperium. Basically Wolves have a lot in common with Templars, close combat orientated, hate the Codex and are both still effectively Legions. It's a shame that if there were no wars to fight you'd all be put down o.O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2716418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric the Green Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Do the templars hate us? No, they're just jelous that we do their job better than they do. But we should be tolerant of their anger. Wouldn't you be angry if chapter tradition made you wear a dress? On a slightly off-topic note, I belive the people of the imperium both fear and love us, we are unstopable killing machines that help them. I believe it's the other astartes who view us as savages, most likely because we regularly drink them under the table. Let them have their incorrect notions, we know that it takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2716462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 It is entirely possible that the dislike of the SW's by other chapters is the fact that they are the most human. Which is a little ironic really O.o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2716499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Would the Templars hate the Space Wolves? No. Its not worth our time. Just stay out of our way and let the real marines do the work. Like they couldn't even beat an Ork warlord with the WHOLE Imperium fighting at Helbretch command, while the Space Wolves took care of an entire World Eater invasion and the Blood Angels alongside Salamanders and Ultramarines defeated the same Warlord invasion? Yup, I see Black Templar work. Quite underwhelming, really. Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2716525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 If Templars are supposed to be Germanic... and the Germans beat the Irish in Beerfest... I think we all know who the SM Drinking Champs are. RUSSians? ;) Cain ur posts are made of win, proportions which make my eyes bleed from the sheer awesomeness. offtopic: ok guys, this isnt about who is better for the answer is clear ;) (jk), tough amusing I dont people getting hatey or in trouble cuz of this thread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hadrarius Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 trying to return to the topic at hand i doubt that Black Templars hate any chapter at all. I think we can assume rivalries will form and deffinitely a level of competitvenes for sure. But hate ? i doubt it that is reserveed for the enemies of humanity. They might dislike other chapters tactics but its just a different way of getting the same job done. The only reference that i can find relating to how the Templars work with other chapters in in helsreach in which the Sallies are told to leave the city (after a fight) becuase of the way they persecute war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 If Templars are supposed to be Germanic... and the Germans beat the Irish in Beerfest... I think we all know who the SM Drinking Champs are. RUSSians? :P Cain ur posts are made of win, proportions which make my eyes bleed from the sheer awesomeness. Don't be afraid to quote me in Your signature ^_^ :D B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Kind of a tough question really. Would the Templars hate the SW because they are mutants and harbor witches in their ranks...probably not. Now, would the Templars hate their mutations and the act of using foul sorceries in battle? Probably. It may sound like wordplay, but the subtle difference is key. Space Wolves, for all their....quirks, are still Astartes and loyal to the Throne, and overall fairly good at bashing skulls. Basically, the two things Templars respect are loyalty and courageous slaughter in His name, so the Wolves are alright by them: they have redeeming qualities which offset the negatives of mutation and dabbling with the Warp. That's not to say the Rune Priests can be expecting a dinner invitation from Helbrecht any time soon. So it's not that the Templars hate the Space Wolves, it's that the Templars hate certain facets of the Space Wolves universally, but the SW's service to the Throne is sufficient for us not to declare a Fenrisian Crusade. But on the other hand, just because the Wolves are a First Founding, don't be fooled into believing the Templars would think twice about starting something if they felt duty demanded such action. Accept Any Challenge and all that :) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 At the end of the day. Space Wolves are Space Marines. And Templars are Space Marines. We are bretheren. The issue with the salamanders in Helsreach revolved around a singular event that Grimaldus took issue with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I don't think the Wolves and Templars would outright hate each other. There will obviously be rivalries between the two because it's their nature, however I think an essence of mutual respect between a Wolf and Templar happens often. Except for the Rune Priests of course... It takes more than that to take out a proud son of Russ! And at least we stay awake during the process. msn-wink.gif :) Based on the badab stuff by forgeworld, I wouldn't be surprised about any loyalist chapter facing another. It seems it can happen either sanctioned or not, and both sides can be deemed loyal. I could certainly see something igniting a conflict, but I do think BT's probably have a good respect for us and our ways. Most chapters will find something they don't like in another but still be stalwart battle brothers when facing a dangerous foe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 There was a quote in Helsreach by Bastilan saying something along the lines of realizing that each Chapter has different history and traditions and to stand by them as allies. However, my favorite part of Deathwatch has given me the impression that whenever a Templar sees a librarian its almost physically painful for him not to kill it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I thought the interesting thing about the badab war was the fact that the Astral claws were declared traitor for breaching the chapter size limit. Something for both SW and the BT's to think about. I dont think the templars would hate us we share a distrust of psykers and a martial attitude Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric the Green Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I kinda think the fluff has been written in such a way as to justify any match up at the table. If your fighting templars that day, then clearly those templars take issue with your mutants. It gets a bit muddy sometimes (wolves vs wolves etc). In general though its not too difficult to find a fluff reason for any two armies to face off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2717773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Paintball. That explains everything really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2718209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 I kinda think the fluff has been written in such a way as to justify any match up at the table. If your fighting templars that day, then clearly those templars take issue with your mutants. It gets a bit muddy sometimes (wolves vs wolves etc). In general though its not too difficult to find a fluff reason for any two armies to face off. I've always viewed SW vs SW as Field Exercises. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2718218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 I kinda think the fluff has been written in such a way as to justify any match up at the table. If your fighting templars that day, then clearly those templars take issue with your mutants. It gets a bit muddy sometimes (wolves vs wolves etc). In general though its not too difficult to find a fluff reason for any two armies to face off. I've always viewed SW vs SW as Field Exercises. I'd sooner expect the tussle to revolve around a chew toy shortage..... :sweat: Couldn't help myself. I was too restrained last time I piped up. Anyway, yeah, most everything is designed to be understandably antagonistic towards most everything else. Space Marines almost regardless of chapter are normally very proud, unbending, irritable, and/or just lacking in basic social skills. That, and some Chapters just have different prerogatives and objectives. Combine that with often self righteous views as to the importance of personal objectives and jurisdiction, and really any Chapter could end up fighting any Chapter over rather silly things, without either being considered a Traitor in the conventional sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2718323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Basically, the two things Templars respect are loyalty and courageous slaughter in His name, so the Wolves are alright by them: they have redeeming qualities which offset the negatives of mutation and dabbling with the Warp. So it's not that the Templars hate the Space Wolves, it's that the Templars hate certain facets of the Space Wolves universally, but the SW's service to the Throne is sufficient for us not to declare a Fenrisian Crusade. But then that could be said for all marine chapters as basically all loyal chapters are loyal and couragious (do you know of any loyalist chapters that are cowards?~) and all loyalists slaughter in his name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2718526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Yeah but few do it with our style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2718573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Yeah but few do it with our style. And some of those few are even not loyal "cough" World Eaters "cough" "cough" ;) Just trollin' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2718612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Space Wolves have been known to attack (or at least "block") Imperial forces (most commonly Inquisition - or those following orders of the Inquisition), for no other reason then they believe humans in a particular area are innocent/clean, while the Inquisition wants to take them out purely to be on the safe side. Meanwhile, the Black Templar are almost zealous in following their crusades, which could quite certainly lead them to undertake an exterminartus on a planet they thought to be to far gone to be worth saving. On top of that I see them having no qualms against going through anyone / slaughtering anyone they thought of as getting in their way. In that context, I can certainly see a Space Wolf Great Company and Black Templar crusade going head to head after both answering distress calls from a planet that has say, come under attack by daemons. The Space Wolves would get into the thick of it, trying to save as many people as they could, while destroying the threat. Don't get me wrong, anyone they evacuated would undoubtedly be thoroughly checked by Rune Priests / Wolf Priests to ensure they were clean of any taint, and anyone found tainted would be destroyed to protect the rest. But, they would do everything they could to protect the innocent. Meanwhile, the Templar would discover taint in a town... and exterminate the town to remove any chance of the taint spreading from it. Now, picture a Space Wolf scout squad moving into a town ahead of the main force to see what they can sniff out, and then a Templar detachment rolling up on the same town and discovering taint within it... As soon as the Wolf Scouts saw what the Templars were trying to do, they would do everything they could to prevent it. And considering the zealous drive of the Templar, there is no way they would stand for this. It is of course possible (and some would argue likely) that the Wolf Lord involved, and the Captain of the Crusade (Appropriate title?) would understand these potential issues, and perhaps try to keep their forces separate to prevent it... but then the Wolf Lord himself would not stand for those tactics being used by the Templar either... ++++ Do Space Wolves & Black Templar hate each other? I highly doubt it, specially considering the close doctrinal ideals of the Imperial Fists & Space Wolves. However, I can certainly see a situation where we come into conflict over methods escalating rather savagely, Space Wolves thanks to our ideals and morals, and the Black Templar through their zeal and drive. Hell, if something did arise, we would likely look to our Rune Priests & Wolf Priests for guidance on the matter. Members of the Fang whom all Space Wolves hold in very high regard... while the Black Templar's would hold such members of the Space Wolves in disdain. Certainly not something that would help the situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2724760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I doubt that Space Wolves are that altruistic. They may place a slightly higher value on human life than the average, and they believe in loyalty to those who've fought alongside them, but like all Space Marines they're engineered and programmed to do whatever it takes to destroy the enemies of humanity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226632-black-templars-and-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2724777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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