GKT *are* better trained than GKSS

[Gentlemanloser]

Well, that' sone thing we can lay to rest, fluff wise. :D

 

I noticed last night that the Terminator Fluff had been amended from the leaked PDF.

 

It no longer mentions that as soon as a GK initiate becomes a full GK, they are given a suit of TDA. It only mentions that the GKs 'improve' upon thier skills once in battle.

 

I think the Fluff has been retconned to excuse away the 1A and Ld8 Strikes have. By making the GK training process so good it just skips the Scout phase of a normal chapter.

 

Once you leave Initiation, you get your NFW and a suit of Power Armour. Once you've proven yourself in battle (and your skills have increased to represent the 2A and Ld9), you get access to a suit of TDA.

 

The Terminator entry has also been amended from the Grey Knights having enough TDA for thier entire chapter, to having enough for *most*. :D

 

That makes the fluff sit a little better for me.

 

But I'd still like Strike Squads to have Infiltrate, if they're supposed to be deployed ahead of the rest of the army to get into forward positions, and for there to be some reason that TDA is too bulky for a PT, but the NDK isn't...

[Sothalor]

As an addendum, I think it worth mentioning that while I can see where this idea of Grey Knights get TDA straight from training comes from, a closer reading of the codex shows this isn't the case. The codex talks about how the Grey Knights don't have scouts a la other Marine Chapters in the unit entry for Terminators. However, it never states that they get Terminator armor right out of training. Rather, I think it's giving general background for Grey Knight training and combat styles. They really push the "Terminators as backbone of Grey Knight armies" angle in this codex and so that blurb is really more of a "Grey Knights are this awesome" than a "Training --> Terminator armor" bit.

[Gentlemanloser]

It was form the leaked playtest dex;

 

In short, from the moment a Grey Knight Initiate's training is complete, and he is presented with the suit of Terminator Armour that shall be his constant companion for the remainder of his life

 

:D

[Oiad]

I dunno. So most PAGK now represent a small proportion of those who have little-to-no battle experience? Plus, the paragraph on initiates now bears little relation to TDA, so why is it on the page at all?

[Sothalor]

It's on the page because that's the only place they could fit it in, I think. Grey Knight Terminators are essentially the generic mooks of the codex: they're the vanilla standard troops. Pretty much the entire unit entry for Terminators is a general introduction to Grey Knight doctrine, tactics, and equipment.

 

The first paragraph talks about how Grey Knights have access to far more Terminator suits than other chapters - explaining their prevalence as troops. It also states how the Grey Knights can stand against daemons even when other Marines cannot. The second paragraph talks about how Grey Knight training is so grueling that few can complete it and as a result they're among the most bad-ass warriors in the 41st millennium. So far most of the information presented is applicable to just about any Grey Knight, not specifically Terminators.

 

The third paragraph is a general introduction to Grey Knight arms: how they all wield Nemesis Force Weapons, how there are different types and styles of weapons, and how they all have wrist-mounted storm bolters. Again, broad information applicable to just about any Grey Knight. The fourth and final pragraph talks about how Terminators are typically outnumbered and so have to concentrate their force, preferring to deep strike straight into enemy lines.

 

Whether or not it's a good thing is up to you, but it's clear the Grey Knight Terminator entry is not focused specifically on Terminators.

 

Edit: As to the Personal Teleporter on Dreadknights vs Terminators issue, I think of it as a mass/volume threshold and different equipment. It's evident that the teleporter the Dreadknight uses is not the same one that Interceptors use. It's way larger. Maybe there's just a "gap" in Personal Teleporter technology such that the Interceptor version is at the upper limit of its capacity shunting suits of power armor around, while the Dreadknight version is at the lower limit in terms of size/power requirements for teleporting things larger/heavier than power armor. It could be that Terminator armor just lies smack dab in the middle of technological limitations.

 

Think of it like.... moving dirt around. If you have a shovel, you can move a few kilos around at a time. If you have a bulldozer, you can move a few hundred kilos around at a time. However, there are places a bulldozer just won't fit.

[Gentlemanloser]

That's how I would rationalise the PT.

 

But it needs to be said as such in the 'dex itself.

[Foolio_Displasius]

Think of it like.... moving dirt around. If you have a shovel, you can move a few kilos around at a time. If you have a bulldozer, you can move a few hundred kilos around at a time. However, there are places a bulldozer just won't fit.

 

But that's what wheelbarrows are for! :whistling:

[Sothalor]

Think of it like.... moving dirt around. If you have a shovel, you can move a few kilos around at a time. If you have a bulldozer, you can move a few hundred kilos around at a time. However, there are places a bulldozer just won't fit.

 

But that's what wheelbarrows are for! :P

 

Exactly. The Imperium has lost so much technology that they've got great gaps in capability. Imagine an era where the wheelbarrow is lost and forgotten. Furthermore, attempting to invent one is heresy against the machine god.