Know No Fear

[Artein]

Know No Fear is about the Battle of Calth.

;)

[Jim Shady]

Wicked! The Smurfs v Word Bearers.

[Grandmaster Anaziel]

I believe Dan Abnett can make the Ultramarines awesome again!

We shall Know No Fear of Mat Ward again!

[Codicier Lucion]

I believe Dan Abnett can make the Ultramarines awesome again!

We shall Know No Fear of Mat Ward again!

 

Oh I don't know. Chapter's Due did a pretty good job at keeping them awesome but preventing them from reaching the levels of utterly retarded invincibility they seem to have in the codex.

Telion might be able to account for the curvature of a planet when lining up sniping shots but he can't see Raven Guard standing in the same room as him unless they allow him to, heh.

 

Still, i'll be interested to see Abnett writing about them and how the battle plays out in it.

[Zynk Kaladin]

Can't wait to be blown away by Guilimman's tactical genius I've heard so much about :(. Hopefully it's gonna be a good one.

[SanguineSon]

It'll be good to get an intimate look at the Ultramarines. Since they're kind of the guys all the other chapters are based on, to me they just seem kind of bland. I know they are the originals but they just seem like vanilla marines anymore. Hope "Know No Fear" helps to change this.

[Commissar Joe]

Given this post: http://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/591/

 

I suspect A D-B's next Horus Heresy novel might (or the next one that features the Word Bearers) might feature parts of the Battle for Calth as well. Not quite a duology but perhaps something like A Thousand Sons & Prospero Burns?

[Iron_Adam]

I don't think it's too wise to get hyped about roboute and his boys, in the first heretic he was portrayed as a very boring character, as opposed to Magnus, Russ, and Lorgar who were exuberant and exciting to read

[Brannick]

Although we did only get a teensy weensy little glimpse of the mega smurf in TFH, Adam.

[DarKnight]

Whoa me and ADB are in the thread at the same time. How are you man?

[DarKnight]

I don't think it's too wise to get hyped about roboute and his boys, in the first heretic he was portrayed as a very boring character, as opposed to Magnus, Russ, and Lorgar who were exuberant and exciting to read

If you think of his upbringing id imagine the warrior-kings of Ultramar to be pretty austere people. Plus I think ADB wanted to establish the dichotomy between the emotional Lorgar and the stern instrument of the Emperor's chastisement.

[pingo]

I don't think it's too wise to get hyped about roboute and his boys, in the first heretic he was portrayed as a very boring character, as opposed to Magnus, Russ, and Lorgar who were exuberant and exciting to read

He was struck down by a brother Pirimarch in the presence of his own warriors, Malcador, and every single Word Bearer.

 

But he did not react. He did not lose his temper. He oozed calm and control in the face of gross insult and provocation.

 

I thought he was awesome ;)

[Artein]

Yup, he was ok, but I think the reason of this scene was to show that Lorgar was awesome.

 

He was on his knees, broken, in shame, a failure. He was not looking cool.

 

But there was this moment when they said that Lorgar was always silent, almost only whispering and then he's screaming, yelling, slapping Malcador, hitting hard Guilliman.... now, that was AWESOME.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I don't think it's too wise to get hyped about roboute and his boys, in the first heretic he was portrayed as a very boring character, as opposed to Magnus, Russ, and Lorgar who were exuberant and exciting to read

He was struck down by a brother Pirimarch in the presence of his own warriors, Malcador, and every single Word Bearer.

 

But he did not react. He did not lose his temper. He oozed calm and control in the face of gross insult and provocation.

 

I thought he was awesome

 

That scene was awesome, and actually had me like Guilliman more.

 

it was the best way to show just how...childish (i dont like it but it comes closet to what i am thinking) lorgar is being.

 

WLK

[Candleshoes]

I won't lie, I thought about the drippingly good possibilities this news will mean, all day.

[AndyNoMore]

Sounds pretty good!

[A D-B]

I'm always amazed at the difference of opinion in that scene. I mean, that was largely the point, it's written in a way to show a scene with little objective prose to swing it either way; you have to decide yourself whose perspective you believe. But still, I think it shows that some people can bring a lot of baggage (for want of a better term) to that scene and/or really see things in terms I find a bit bizarre.

[greatcrusade08]

i loved that little teaser from TFH about guilliman.. with so little actually known about guilliman (which is weird considering Ultras are the most documented chapter) it will be good to get a closer look at his character.

im sure there will be alot of people who stick to this belief he is haughty, snobbish and bland.. but hes a primarch, those guys exude awesomeness regardless of who they are or what colour they paint thier armour :D

[2000AD]

Basically it was Guillaman saying...... "Yup, whatever little boy....... this is exactly why Dad thinks youre a twat."

[Artein]

I'm always amazed at the difference of opinion in that scene. I mean, that was largely the point, it's written in a way to show a scene with little objective prose to swing it either way; you have to decide yourself whose perspective you believe. But still, I think it shows that some people can bring a lot of baggage (for want of a better term) to that scene and/or really see things in terms I find a bit bizarre.

 

Really?! :D

 

I was always thinking that it was something like....

ADB: Ok, I have Lorgar. He's pretty lame. I need him to look much cooler coz people will like the book more then. Oh, I know! I'll make him slap Malcador! That would look cool. Oh, and striking down Guiliman! Everyone hates Ultramarines and Guiliman. Now Lorgar is tototally awesom.

 

No? I was not like that? Oh well.... I still love TFH. :lol:

 

Also, since I'm here and you might read it.... the very last sentence in TFH

'No' The voice rose from within 'I am your brother.'

Am I the only one thinking Star Wars here?

[greatcrusade08]

Everyone hates Ultramarines and Guiliman.

 

I dont hate them and i suspect alot of other people dont either.

a BL author worth his salt wouldnt directly get involved in the elitism beneath the surface of our fair hobby.

the word bearers and ultrmarines have a grudge that goes waaay back, A-D-B was just filling in some of the history, it had to be Guilliman becuase the word bearers atatcked them at calth for a reason.. its not becuase he wanted to make the haters happy

[Aegnor]

Ok, I have Lorgar. He's pretty lame. I need him to look much cooler coz people will like the book more then. Oh, I know! I'll make him slap Malcador! That would look cool. Oh, and striking down Guiliman! Everyone hates Ultramarines and Guiliman. Now Lorgar is tototally awesom.

 

I'm always amazed at the difference of opinion in that scene. I mean, that was largely the point, it's written in a way to show a scene with little objective prose to swing it either way; you have to decide yourself whose perspective you believe. But still, I think it shows that some people can bring a lot of baggage (for want of a better term) to that scene and/or really see things in terms I find a bit bizarre.

 

:D

[A D-B]

I'm always amazed at the difference of opinion in that scene. I mean, that was largely the point, it's written in a way to show a scene with little objective prose to swing it either way; you have to decide yourself whose perspective you believe. But still, I think it shows that some people can bring a lot of baggage (for want of a better term) to that scene and/or really see things in terms I find a bit bizarre.

 

Really?! :D

 

I was always thinking that it was something like....

ADB: Ok, I have Lorgar. He's pretty lame. I need him to look much cooler coz people will like the book more then. Oh, I know! I'll make him slap Malcador! That would look cool. Oh, and striking down Guiliman! Everyone hates Ultramarines and Guiliman. Now Lorgar is tototally awesom.

 

Ha, dude, why would I have done that? If I wanted to make Lorgar badass and awesome, that would have been easy as hell. I'd just have written a novel about him being badass and awesome. It's the easiest thing in the world to make a character "awesome": look at Wolverine, Drizzt, Blade, etc.

 

That was a difficult scene, purely because it needed to be so subjective, based on the readers' perceptions and choices of which perspective to believe. It would have been easy (and, I think, a little shallow) to just present Guilliman as an idiot, or Lorgar as suddenly badass, or whatever. I think the fact so few people agree on that scene is part of why it works.

[Artein]

I don't know, you said somewhere.... an interview for BlackLibraryTV or TFH trailer.... I think the former....

But you said something about it, that you need to write it in a way that people can sympathize with Lorgar, that it was difficult, etc.

[Zynk Kaladin]

im sure there will be alot of people who stick to this belief he is haughty, snobbish and bland.. but hes a primarch, those guys exude awesomeness regardless of who they are or what colour they paint thier armour ^_^

 

Amen to that. I still think the Ultras can be a starched arse bunch of marines, but Guiliman I respect.