Tanhausen Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Loved the vid, thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2717469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Is it worth pointing out that in Angels of Darkness, there was a serious chance that the DA's would have opened up the fortress after the virus was released (thus killing every single human on the planet). Had the main character not been tere, I think thats exactly what would have happened. Thats a lot of 'innocent civilians'... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2717573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corton Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Each chapter has its faults. Dark Angels are already self-evident, so I will not go into detail there. Most evil? Iron Hands killed one in three of an entire star-system because of an insurrection. Blood Angels are Vampires (so the saying goes). Marines Malvollent(I am sure I hosed the spelling) blow up refugees. Space Wolves are Werewolves. I guess it would all contend on the players personal position. Personally for me? ...Angry Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2717839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 The Relictors aren't known for killing civilians, but are known for dabbling dangerously with Chaos. The Lamenters, Mantis Warriors, and Executioners all sided with the Astral Claws in the Badab War. The Relictors did kill Imperial soldiers who had seen the daemonblade they'd gotten though- I think that's what brought the wrath of the Inquisition down on them in the first place. The Lamenters, on the other hand, despite siding with the Astral Claws- are in the IA Badab book 1, shown to have gone above and beyond the call of duty to save civilians, in events prior to the war. The Relictors did indeed kill the guards because they saw the daemon weapon (something GK's and =][= would have no problem doing themselves). In terms of the wrath, it is implied at the end that the =][= just really wanted the tainted artifact, and unleashed the GK's under a false pretense. In terms of "Evil" I don't like that term. Everyone is probably evil in 40k including sallies and space wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2717846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 The Relictors aren't known for killing civilians, but are known for dabbling dangerously with Chaos. The Lamenters, Mantis Warriors, and Executioners all sided with the Astral Claws in the Badab War. The Relictors did kill Imperial soldiers who had seen the daemonblade they'd gotten though- I think that's what brought the wrath of the Inquisition down on them in the first place. The Lamenters, on the other hand, despite siding with the Astral Claws- are in the IA Badab book 1, shown to have gone above and beyond the call of duty to save civilians, in events prior to the war. The Relictors did indeed kill the guards because they saw the daemon weapon (something GK's and =][= would have no problem doing themselves). In terms of the wrath, it is implied at the end that the =][= just really wanted the tainted artifact, and unleashed the GK's under a false pretense. In terms of "Evil" I don't like that term. Everyone is probably evil in 40k including sallies and space wolves. Well, thats what makes warhammer 40k fun, there are no good guys or bad guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2717853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Yes. The Greater Good o.o One of the staff said that there is still debate over Lion's actions during the Heresy to the effect of 'Lion el' Johnson was said to have been stuck in skirmishes and unable to help, and yet was the greatest tactical mind of the Primarchs...so the greatest tactical mind and he gets stuck in skirmishes?' Basically he was saying that Lion deliberately didn't help either faction. He was waiting to see who would win. It's not a theory from a guy in the whatever staff, it's a direct reference at the novel "Angels of Darness" by Gav Thorpe. One of the characters speaks about that, I won't say more, but Ill add that its the best darkangel fluff I've seen up to now. True, however Astellan had no idea of the Lions whereabouts as he was in exile, we know from reading Fallen Angels that the Lion was indeed fighting the good fight in the name of the Emperor, albeit for his own apparent goals... But, back on topic, evil? No. Highly secretive and zealous in the extreme? Oh yes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2718084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormsson Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I do not think the DA are the most "evil", maybe the most secretive. I feel that any chapter would sacrifice any and all civilian's if so ordered, but some are more zealous about it. In pre heresy era I would definatley say, World Eater's but in this day I would say Fleshtearer's, mainly due to their let it all go rage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2721789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dremen Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Dark Angels evil? No, just the most practical. We Kill anyone who gains knowledge of the Fallen. The true evil would be others, aka =][= finding out about us and prevent us from continueing to fight the good fight in the Emperors name. Its written in the Codex Astartes, Imperal Gaurdsmans Uplifting Primer, and probably a thousand Inquisitorial documents that sometimes the Innocent must fall alongside the guilty for the Imperium to survive. I say weigh the lives. A few thousand that we must kill to keep our secret vs the millions that would die without our intervention. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted April 13, 2011 Author Share Posted April 13, 2011 Here I have to disagree. The Dark Angels I always thought were so much better. I couldn't see them killing innocents just to keep thier secret. I always thought they were above that, guess I am wrong. I don't know, maybe I have been in the hobby to long, but I guess it's getting a bit tiresom, and boring how so many Innocents have to die for a greater purpose. All it seems is that what the Imperium ever does, kill innocents for a greater purpose. DA do, Imperal Guard do it, The Inquisitors do it, etc etc. I know this will be heresy, but killing innocent people just because of a secret like the DA almost turning to Chaos, is so lame now. There is nothing nobel in it at all. Maybe I am turning into a Fallen now eh? Sowhat room shall I go to now? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dremen Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Down 6 levels, fourth door on your right. Someone will be in to "chat" with you in a few. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 If you really think about it, considering the new gk background. They come in right at the end of the heresy and start whomping demon faces left and right at a fairly high rate for the next ten thousand years. Now, any time, any time anybody else sees them do it, they wind up dead. Like, super dead. Fast. Sure, sometimes they offer a mindwipe for valuable allies they can't just kill, but that's quite rare. I'd say that in all honesty, the grey knights have probably killed the most imperial citizens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodSAF Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Brodhers. The Dark Angels thy/we are not evil Brodher we are the emperors maild fist. We may be Hard and cold but we are hunting the fallen, Hereticks that have turn oway from the emperors light. Fallen that have spit on the Lion. Killd your battel brodhers. Our ways maight be hard,cold even evil but it is Pure. And somthing we as a chaper is sworn to ackt on. Why the Fallen was once Eperor Astartes but hav fallen from his light it is our duty to bring them back. So No brodher DA is not most evil the DA is werry Proteckting of ther Chapter and planets we are sworn to proteckt. Brodher i will give you a advise seek out one of our Brodher Chaplins. The Emperor Proteckts. Repent today for tomorow you die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousBeast Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Here I have to disagree. The Dark Angels I always thought were so much better. I couldn't see them killing innocents just to keep thier secret. I always thought they were above that, guess I am wrong. Yep, have to say you're wrong ^_^ But I must also say, if you're looking for lily white protagonists, it's going to be hard to find them in 40k. Blood Angels (though definitely not many of their successors) and Space Wolves are both pretty "noble" chapters, as well as the Ultramarines, but none of the Space Marines would be above killing innocents to achieve an objective they deemed important enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Stacius Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 The sheer concept of "Evil" within the marine's is very petty in comparison to the the more natural evil of the Nid's, Ron's or Chaos. Although, depending upon your perception, the Imperium as a whole could be evil. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted April 13, 2011 Author Share Posted April 13, 2011 Here I have to disagree. The Dark Angels I always thought were so much better. I couldn't see them killing innocents just to keep thier secret. I always thought they were above that, guess I am wrong. Yep, have to say you're wrong ^_^ But I must also say, if you're looking for lily white protagonists, it's going to be hard to find them in 40k. Blood Angels (though definitely not many of their successors) and Space Wolves are both pretty "noble" chapters, as well as the Ultramarines, but none of the Space Marines would be above killing innocents to achieve an objective they deemed important enough. Funny thing is, I had no problem with this 5 year or so ago. I guess because I was new and it was unique. But just seeing how life is so cheap in 40K and almost every codex you read, innocents keep dieing, it just gets a bit tiresome. I guess the uniqueness of the DA seem to have been gone a bit since everyone is starting to look like them. So before it was unique, it made the DA look not so nice but they were still honourable but now that almost everyone does this it just looks like the DA are not really nice now and not so honourable since everyone does this and thier good deeds are not mentioned anymore, just how they kill to keep thier secret. Funny thing is, the DA portrayed is a regular Power Armoured Space Marine, which has no idea of the secret or "shame" so should be the most "pure" and honourable of the bunch, but they are the ones who are showed as the killer of innocents to keep the secret. See where I am getting at? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is the room so cold? So dark? How come there are no daisies around? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226774-are-the-da-the-most-evil-of-the-loyalist-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2722741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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