Funny Coteaz lists

Wildfire · April 8, 2011

Coteaz - as currently written - allows you to take any number of henchmen squads. With the variety of henchmen available, this opens up some unusual possibilities. I thought of a couple amusing possibilities, but I'm sure there's many more.

1. Coteaz, 2 strike squads (for FOC requirements), and 21 squads of 8 psykers. That's potentially 21 seperate 36", S10, AP1 pie plates each turn. Just the look on your opponent's face when he sees that would be HILARIOUS!

2. Coteaz, Karamazov, 2 strike squads, and 67 squads of 3 acolytes with one meltagun. Just seeing them run forward and get bombed by Karamazov every turn would make me crack up. There may be a tiny amount of evil in my soul.

I'll post up more if I think of them. If you've got an idea (funny or abusive), post it up.

Gentlemanloser · April 8, 2011

The Karamzov one is pure win! ;)

I think the other standard :P list will be the money army of doom. As many 5 Weaponsmith in Chimera squads as you can afford!

Drudge Dreadnought · April 8, 2011

Arcoflagellants+inquisitor with hammerhand +librarian with quicksilver and might of titan = massed str 7 attacks that will smash vehicles and always hit first.

EDIT:

Spamming as many squads of warriors with bolters as you can would also get really frightening.

Iron Lord · April 8, 2011

I thought the rule was that by moving them to Troop choices- they cease to be available as Elites choices- and therefore cease to "not take up slots"?

Or is that only RAI rather than RAW?

Drudge Dreadnought · April 8, 2011

I thought the rule was that by moving them to Troop choices- they cease to be available as Elites choices- and therefore cease to "not take up slots"?

Or is that only RAI rather than RAW?

"This unit does not take up any force organization slot".

Before they were Elites that took up no slots. Coteaz makes them troops. They still take no slots. It may well get FaQed, but that's the RaW.

Heru · April 8, 2011

That would make moving them to Troops completely pointless, and Inquisition only armies impossible. Considering that the line that says they don't use a force organisation slot is part of the same paragraph (second sentence of a two sentence paragraph to be exact) that says you only get one unit of henchmen per Inquisitor, I'd say that the whole paragraph would be ignored when they become troops.

The RAI is obvious, and using RAW as an arguement in this instance is just lame on multiple fronts.

The Rose Princes · April 8, 2011

while the intent may be obvious... it's clearly not written that way, and it's okay. we get a few months of making stupid henchmen-sentric spam lists and then we get a slap on the wrist and send in the correct direction. have a little fun with it.

anyway, so this is what i was thinking:

infinite units of 3 death cult assassins. when you do assault, you just kind of pig pile on the bad guys, 4 or 5 units at a time. they would have to split all their shooting up so much that the would never be able to target them all before they got into the assaults.

Gentlemanloser · April 8, 2011

Evil! ;)

At 2K you could have (with Coteaz) 42 scoring units of 3 x DCA!

127 Minis.

Edit: Meh, that doesn't take into account the minimum 2 5 man Strike Squads you'd need, so;

37 scoring 3 x DCA units, Coteaz, and 10 Strikers. 122 minis. ;)

CHAAARRRRGGGGGGEEEEE!!!

number6 · April 8, 2011

People, if you really think that Coteaz gives you unlimited Troops choices, you are going to be massively disappointed when GW FAQs this.

I can understand why you are interpreting the rules to come to that silly conclusion, but there exists an equally valid parsing of the text that does not lead to that conclusion. It is exactly as logically and lexically valid to read the Lord of Formosa as completely replacing the normal text with respect to warbands. You cannot automatically assume that your interpretation is correct.

Nobody can seriously entertain the possibility that GW intends for GK armies to have unlimited numbers of heavy weapons units. :wacko: This is the same GW that denied GK units storm shields and terminators any dedicated transports. ;) Good luck trying to break the game. ;) It's never gonna fly in The Real World. Or after the FAQ. We all know this. Time to give the idea up.

Iron Lord · April 8, 2011

How does it work with Canis Wolfborn- don't fenrisian wolves not take up FA choices- but when he's taken, they do take up Troop choices?

And did this have to be FAQd?

Heru · April 8, 2011

How does it work with Canis Wolfborn- don't fenrisian wolves not take up FA choices- but when he's taken, they do take up Troop choices?

And did this have to be FAQd?

Fenrisian Wolf packs do take up a FA slot and cannot claim objectives ("under any circumstances"). Canis just lets you take the packs as troops instead of FA.

The Rose Princes · April 8, 2011

like i said, it's fun... lighten up some. you don't actually think someone gonna come to games day with 37 units of death cult assassins, so you? (well., maybe they would at 'Ard Boyz, but that's a whole different beast of a player type)

and secondly, you can have infinite chaos spawns so it's not like a president is being made here.

lastly, Fennrian Wolves take up a FA slot normally, so when they change to Troop type they still take up slots normally... no questions here.

but this thread is not about discussing rules; this thread is about fun!

sit back, get a pint and enjoy the ride!

if you could get the servo skulls from a second HQ and the 3 Techmarines with that 21 Psyker unit list, you could litter the table in up to 12 servo skull markers so you always land on target. with those psykic barrages.

Son of Rawl · April 8, 2011

Cortez Orange Monkey Army of DDDDOOOMMM!!!!

number6 · April 8, 2011

like i said, it's fun... lighten up some. you don't actually think someone gonna come to games day with 37 units of death cult assassins, so you? (well., maybe they would at 'Ard Boyz, but that's a whole different beast of a player type)

Well, I don't think it's asking much that the army lists at least be legal! :(

The Rose Princes · April 8, 2011

... and it is legal...... for the time being.

don't get me wrong, everyone knows it's gonna be FAQ'd, along with 35,000 other things in this poorly edited book. when the Skaven faq came out it was 6 pages of errata and 2 pages of faqs; it was practially a whole different book, and how the book played before the faq to after was totally different. this is gonna be the same issue; 2 or 3 months of needs GKSS & GKT and henchmen spam, followed by a golden age of 6 henchman only troop choices.

there was this loop hole of a law in Connecticut where it was legal to have prostitution indoors. after 210 years they were finally changing the law at the start of 2010, but until then the brothels that were operating in they grey zone were free and clear for that three month window still. (yes they were raided on new years day at 12:01AM)

right and legal are two separate things.

i hope you have enjoyed my tale.

bring on the henchmen spam....

number6 · April 8, 2011

I think you missed the point of my earlier post on logic and lexical parsing. :o And I'll just leave it there. I fail to see the point of putting together army lists, no matter how silly, that can't at least be put on the table....

Brother Xeones · April 8, 2011

OK, I'll play. :P

My list is created under the assumption that Coteaz makes henchmen troops in every respect --ie. they take up slots and they count towards the 2 min troop choices that must be taken. My general aim here is cheese. :)

HQ

Coteaz

Elite

Techmarine w/ Orbital Strike Relay

Troops

6 Henchmen: 3 Servitors w HBs, 3x Jokaero

Chimera