Horus and the Shields

[Ethrion]

But the point is that we cannot trust fluff, or even the CEO of Games Workshop saying something concrete about something when Alpha Legion may or may not be involved. It might be misinformation, ruse, a combination of both or it might be the truth. But at the end of the day we really, really cannot say anything about anything in the 40K universe, no matter the source. All because of Alpha Legion being a bunch of sneaky gits. It gives us carte blanhce to rewrite any fluff and handwave the old official line away as Alpha Legion misinformation :)

 

*is hit by a thrown shoe*

 

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

 

That way madness lies. If we just starting choosing not to believe any or all of the official fluff as potentially 'in-universe' misinformation then you end up with nothing and everything be possible. Example: Calgar is actually a squig because the fluff might be all lies... :S

 

I'll stick to believing in official canon as how it really went down. Until actually stories or fluff comes out backing up some of these 'theories'.

[Lexington]

It has been hinted at, in the Visions, that when the powers the Gods had filled Horus with fled, a veil was lifted from his eyes and he saw the error in his ways.

This has been hinted at (and outright said) for far, far longer than the Visions books have been around. ^_^

 

I think the fact that we are getting them in a backwards order, prequel, makes people hate on them to much. Like people not liking Episode one because it changes things. Then they blame it on Jar Jar...

"Changing things" is hardly the reason there's so much distaste for the Star Wars prequels - as three of the worst films released during what's easily the weakest decade in the short history of American filmmaking, they live up to the classic trilogy not at all. The Heresy books aren't anywhere near that bad, but if people don't like the series (I don't, overall, but I'm clearly in the minority), I think it's because it similarly doesn't live up to the promise that the story had within it. Most of the books have taken grand myth and rendered it into occasionally-passable pulp, which strikes me as a downgrade.

 

The Authors when asked say that they do a lot of research in the old fluff. You can tell if you look for it. That is why Garro Tarvitz and Verran have been used. When people don't like how a story goes in the HH they are too quick to blame BL. It is not thier fault that certain people live when they seem like they should have died. and it wont be their fault if Lil Hours turns out to be the "Hours" who lowered the shield. We will have them to thank for letting us know the truth though.

Well, while there is a lot of forgotten, RT-era background in the Heresy novels, and it's revealed a few secrets that have apparently been floating around, unspoken, since the setting's early days, the authors aren't just pulling all of this from some cold storage vault and scribbling their names on it. A lot of the Heresy is simply new information, or often just a purposefully off-kilter "detailed" take on some of the 40K universe's more memorable background bitlets. If (as everyone suspects) it's "Little" Horus who ends up pulling the lever on The Vengeful Spirit's shields, it won't be because the writer in question is "letting us know the truth" - they're just changing things in what is (for now) the "definitive" version of the Heresy. One can judge these changes on their merits, but if they're bad, they're bad because of the BL and the writer in question, not because of some "real" history that the novels are revealing to us.

 

Personally, I'm kind of hoping that we'll see Aximand desperately trying to lower the barge's shields, but he's stopped at the last moment by the Lupercal himself, who murders "Little" Horus before dropping the shields himself. The heavy-handed "oh-ho, is this not ironic?" running gag that's become so prominent in the series annoys the hell out of me, but this kind of double-cross would be a fun turn. :D

[Artein]

And what if Little Horus is an ultimate Alpha Legion infiltrator?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

And what if Little Horus is an ultimate Alpha Legion infiltrator?

 

WHY?

 

why would you say that!?

 

WLK

[Artein]

And what if Little Horus is the actual Alpharius himself.... nah, that's probably too much.

[DV8]

But the point is that we cannot trust fluff, or even the CEO of Games Workshop saying something concrete about something when Alpha Legion may or may not be involved. It might be misinformation, ruse, a combination of both or it might be the truth. But at the end of the day we really, really cannot say anything about anything in the 40K universe, no matter the source. All because of Alpha Legion being a bunch of sneaky gits. It gives us carte blanhce to rewrite any fluff and handwave the old official line away as Alpha Legion misinformation <_<

 

*is hit by a thrown shoe*

 

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

 

That way madness lies. If we just starting choosing not to believe any or all of the official fluff as potentially 'in-universe' misinformation then you end up with nothing and everything be possible. Example: Calgar is actually a squig because the fluff might be all lies... :S

 

I'll stick to believing in official canon as how it really went down. Until actually stories or fluff comes out backing up some of these 'theories'.

 

I do believe Unintentional Batman is being facetious; Legion gives insight into some of the methodologies of the Alpha Legion (what little "truth" there actually is) and he's just jabbing away at the Modus Operandi of the Alpha Legion and how you can never really know who is who, or what they're up to. :huh:

 

As for the opening tag line in Horus Rising: "I was there the day Horus killed the Emperor..." It was a delicious irony, referring to the false Emperor (and an irony we as readers understand because of our knowledge of the end game), but I found it curious they would open the Horus Heresy series with that line. As a personal hope (and I think it would be epic as all hell and awesomesauce if that tag-line was somehow worked into the end, when Horus actually DOES "kill" the Emperor.

 

 

DV8

[ICHD?]

Knowing the character of Horus as he's portrayed in the HH novels, and how infinitely proud of himself he was, the only logical conclusions are that he either got bored of waiting for the other Traitor Legions and how badly they were doing on Terra (in his view), and decided to try and bait The Emperor into attacking him directly. Lowering his shields, the only thing stopping a teleporting party getting aboard his ship is sending a pretty loud and clear message: "Here I am, I know I have you at my mercy, so I will let you strike me first, come and get me."

 

Either this or maybe he had some sort of secret weapon? One that drained the power on the ship so much that he had to lower the shields?

[Zincite]

"Changing things" is hardly the reason there's so much distaste for the Star Wars prequels - as three of the worst films released during what's easily the weakest decade in the short history of American filmmaking, they live up to the classic trilogy not at all.

 

Insult any part of Star Wars again, and I will hunt you down, crush your windpipe, then eat Marshmallows whilst watching you choke to death. And don't even get me started about what I'll do once you're dead.

 

But...

 

I'd kinda like Little Horus to lower the shields. I mean, why do you think that's exactly what happens in every Film there ever was? Darth Vader, Gollom (Did I remember it right?), practically any evil-but-with-good sidekick there is helps to kill their master at the end.

 

It's cool. We need it to happen. B)