The_son_of_Dorn Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 it would make the most sense that the Grey Knights were formed from loyalist legionaries. ( Most likely Teran born like Garro) who were born into the chapters they serve seeing the Emperor as their true farther (as the primarchs DNA did come from the emperor himself) able to resist the forces of chaos and further yet their own primarch and brothers they proved to most truly loyal, to harbinge the purest of gene seed. A testament to the indivudal greatness of the Human spirit which all men and space marines hold as equal. they are given purity wards to remind them they are untaintable and have there midns wiped to ensure they are given a new lease of life to realie they are born again pure. Titan reqruits the next set of candidates slips into the warp (where space and time have no meaning) & re appear with what could be thousands of years trained warriors in the depths of the very warp itself. In the modern day only the purest of psykers are given this right and the tradition is carried on tp ensure the safety of mankind. Thats just my view mainly because I dont want to believe that just because a Primarch falls that a man gifted with his powers can be destoryed simply because they werent made in a lab. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2721707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolia Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Which, happily enough probably means that the original 8 marines didnt add any geneseed to the Grey Knights. They were more likley Leaders/experienced trainers, but not 'blood' members... On that front when the eight loyalist marines (from both loyal legions and those that refused to follow Horus) arrived at the fortress-monastery on Titan there are piles of Gene-seed waiting in cryovaults for them. Thus I concur, the eight marines contributed no Gene-seed at all. To quote directly: "Where the other Space Marine chapters were built upon existing stock, the Grey Knights were born of a new Gene-seed, one without the flaws of those that had gone before, and which carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul" What I read into this is that in all actuality, the God-Emperor of Mankind is the Primarch of the Grey Knight Chapter. Woop woop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2721843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Weeeeee to the above post. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2721875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 According to the new Grey Knight Codex, yes - the Grey Knights started off from eight Space Marines. They were taken to Titan where facilities were awaiting them, as was the geneseed and enough recruits to guarantee 1,000 Battle-Brothers. Then Titan visited the Warp for a stint, re-emerging not much later but as a fully funcational, trained, and equipped Chapter. Which, happily enough probably means that the original 8 marines didnt add any geneseed to the Grey Knights. They were more likley Leaders/experienced trainers, but not 'blood' members... I thought this was obvious... Though honestly, in a strict sense, this means that ONLY the original 8 Marines were "blood" members. THEY were the original Grey Knights chosen by Malcador the Sigilite. Though they may not share any common geneseed between them, you could say that theirs were the true Grey Knights "bloodlines". All of the Grey Knights they created were merely trained by them and created from the thousands and thousands and thousands of random candidates available on Titan. None of those candidates ever had anyone with the authority to create a Chapter/Legion single them out and decree them to be Grey Knights. They just happened to survive and be good enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2722110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 So we know that Garro and Qurze are two of the eight, i am sure i heard it read that another was called Jubar (or something similar) who are the others? can we assume that the SoS that was with Garro and also spoken to be Malcador joined the Inquisition? Five marines to find, I didnt listen to the audio books, so it might be on there, any clues? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2761485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 @Brother Captain Gladious: go to garro Oath of Moment and Legion of One and all shall be illuminated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2761551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I always wondered why Malcador wasn't put in a Black Ship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2761561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Because he was the Emperors right-hand man? He's powerful enough to not need it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2762134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I just think its amusing. ''You can bend spoons with your mind?'' 'Well, yes.' ''Fair enough. Torture and horrors await you my man, on the black ship you go.'' 'What?! Who decided this?' ''Well only the most powerful psyker in the Galaxy, and his second most powerful psyker pal. They told me very specifically that pyskers are bad news, and they're pretty powerful psykers, so you know they're smart.'' '.....' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2762287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 "...and if I don't go?" "Well, you'll be hunted down, hopefully to be mercifully executed before daemons from a nightmare dimension claw their way out through your brainpan to enslave, mutilate, beat, kill and consume everyone you know and love, and everyone they know and love, probably across the entire planet. If that happens, hope they do it in that order... Any more questions about the stuff that saves you from that?" "...where's the line to hop on!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2762387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blckbuster Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 "...and if I don't go?" "Well, you'll be hunted down, hopefully to be mercifully executed before daemons from a nightmare dimension claw their way out through your brainpan to enslave, mutilate, beat, kill and consume everyone you know and love, and everyone they know and love, probably across the entire planet. If that happens, hope they do it in that order... Any more questions about the stuff that saves you from that?" "...where's the line to hop on!" this is a great thread, one question.. why would one hope to be killed only after having all that done to them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2784524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Ive read that Malcadors grave is on Terra and on Titan. The lexicanum entry about the Terminus Decree and im guessing the new GK codex, but in Daeyathos it says the Soul Drinkers fought in the 2nd Seige of Terra and Daenyathos met an Imperial Soldier in the Tomb of Malcador, but later on in the book it says there is no record of the Imperial Soldier ever existing and no records of the Soul Drinkers being on Terra during the Age of Apostasy. That is because the "Soul Drinkers" are some fan boy wet dream. There is no source to quote because they came out of no where and that is where they should remain. Heck even the written was sub par to the decent authors in BL. Just think about ever Fan boy here on the boards that has been bombed for written up a "2ed founding Chapter" :wallbash: :angry: :angry: :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2784721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith IV Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 On the subject of the founding members, Nathaniel Garro (Death Guard), Tylos Rubio (Ultramarines), Varren (World Eaters) and Garviel Loken (Sons of Horus) have been confirmed, although it's mentioned they collected others which might include recruits as well as Grand Masters. Iacton Qruze is not confirmed as he never sets off with Garro. Amongst others, Tarasch (Iron Warriors) and Mhotep (Thousand Sons) are suggested by some as possibilities, although these suggestions tend to lean towards the vast majority being from traitor legions. Malcador may be incredibly old and certainly seems physically weak, but he does survive a bakchand from Lorgar that sends him flying 10 metres (IIRC) away. Both the tombs on Terra and Titan are unconfirmed, but Titan is more likely as Codex is more canon than Soul Drinkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2784810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 "...and if I don't go?" "Well, you'll be hunted down, hopefully to be mercifully executed before daemons from a nightmare dimension claw their way out through your brainpan to enslave, mutilate, beat, kill and consume everyone you know and love, and everyone they know and love, probably across the entire planet. If that happens, hope they do it in that order... Any more questions about the stuff that saves you from that?" "...where's the line to hop on!" this is a great thread, one question.. why would one hope to be killed only after having all that done to them? You'd rather have all that stuff happen and be eaten before you're killed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2784924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I always wondered why Malcador wasn't put in a Black Ship. Because he predates them? And the Emperor was already satisfied he could trust him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2784959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Interesting take. That means that many of the Horus Heresy novels actually have nothing to do with the Horus Heresy; they just use it as a backdrop for the formation of the Inquisition, the solidification and codification of the Officio Assassinorum (it's pronounced vin dic AHR ay) and the Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2784989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I always wondered why Malcador wasn't put in a Black Ship. Because he predates them? And the Emperor was already satisfied he could trust him? Oh i understand the literal reasons, i just find the idea of Black Ships funny in that they go round gathering Pyskers in case they prove dangerous, under the order of the two most powerful/dangerous human Pyskers ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2785107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 On the subject of the founding members, Nathaniel Garro (Death Guard), Tylos Rubio (Ultramarines), Varren (World Eaters) and Garviel Loken (Sons of Horus) have been confirmed, although it's mentioned they collected others which might include recruits as well as Grand Masters. Iacton Qruze is not confirmed as he never sets off with Garro. Amongst others, Tarasch (Iron Warriors) and Mhotep (Thousand Sons) are suggested by some as possibilities, although these suggestions tend to lean towards the vast majority being from traitor legions. Malcador may be incredibly old and certainly seems physically weak, but he does survive a bakchand from Lorgar that sends him flying 10 metres (IIRC) away. Both the tombs on Terra and Titan are unconfirmed, but Titan is more likely as Codex is more canon than Soul Drinkers. Iacton Qruze is seen working directly for Malcador, on Titan no less, as seen in Age of Darkness. And then there is Arvida of the Corvidae (same book, different story), a non-traitor Thousand Son who just happens to be filled with the same knowledge and focus quite similar to the Grey Knights we know today. In Legion, we have Alpharius beginning a plan to fight chaos using a same psyker profile we have in the GK. Seems to me the HH series is being used as background fluff to support the new "Inquisition" codexes, such as what we see in the recent Grey Knights codex, and possibly the new Sisters of Battle release. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2785553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Also Qruze in that short story has the same armour markings as Garro as described in the audio books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2786881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I always wondered why Malcador wasn't put in a Black Ship. Because he predates them? And the Emperor was already satisfied he could trust him? Oh i understand the literal reasons, i just find the idea of Black Ships funny in that they go round gathering Pyskers in case they prove dangerous, under the order of the two most powerful/dangerous human Pyskers ever. Because they are sacrificed to help the Emperor power the (sp) Astronomacia, the light of Terra that allows warp travel to function, and ships to travel faster then light ( not really its more like a wormhole with time distortion but I digress). Without Warp travel (age of darkness) the human race can not travel between systems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2788078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 On the subject of the founding members, Nathaniel Garro (Death Guard), Tylos Rubio (Ultramarines), Varren (World Eaters) and Garviel Loken (Sons of Horus) have been confirmed, although it's mentioned they collected others which might include recruits as well as Grand Masters. Iacton Qruze is not confirmed as he never sets off with Garro. Amongst others, Tarasch (Iron Warriors) and Mhotep (Thousand Sons) are suggested by some as possibilities, although these suggestions tend to lean towards the vast majority being from traitor legions. "Confirmed" is a strong word. There might be a difference between working for Malcador, becoming a founder of the Inquisition, and becoming a founder of the Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227001-malcador-the-sigilite/page/2/#findComment-2788112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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