KiltedMarine Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I got started on a GK army, and working on it led me to reviewing all the old SM lore from my youth back in the time-shrouded days of the early '90s. Back when SMs had field police, when they were only slightly taller than normal men, and they were hard-bitten super soldiers more than hypno-conditioned holy warriors. Good times. Sorry- nostalgia got the better of me. Anyway, I've had a DA army on the back burner for a while, and I've decided to pick it back up to work on in between GK units. Trouble is, after the most recent C:SM, I can't see much advantage in building a green DA army using the DA Codex. I'm not planning on doing Deathwing or Ravenwing- I have in mind an old-school, Tactical-squad-heavy army, with some PA armored vets for added oomph. Using C:SM to build Dark Angels feels like betraying the fluff, but the lack of options available in C:DA is kind of appalling. So I'm going to bring the subject up to my (soon-to-be) brothers here in the Rock: am I being a git by using C:SM, or just a good pragmatic Dark Angel? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I personally don't see any reason why you can't. I believe a lot of people wanting to do green wing have done that actually. As long as your army stays DA fluffy I don't see why not. Our codex was a test bed for most of the stuff currently in codex SM anyway. If you start tossing termies/bikes into that list I'd go back to using codex DA though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2718952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Pragmatic. I agree with Droma. I know a few people who play their green marines using C:SM. At the end of the day it's your hobby and it's up to you to work with what you gives you the most enjoyment in it. C:SM as a means of expanding on your unit/weapon/character options and flexibilty, yes. But as a tool purely for a click and point win army at any cost, no. Remember, it isn't always about the 'win'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2719097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTheImp Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 The Rifleman Dreadnought, one of the most popular choices in C:SM is actually a Dark Angel design, I see no reason why you can't make an effective, fluffy Dark Angels army using C:SM. I myself do the same thing, and I love playing my power armored guys using C:SM, but using C:DA for my Deathwing. At first glance the differences between tacticals don't seem all that grand, other than points cost of course, but when you look a bit deeper you'll notice that the C:SM Tacticals really are that much better. The ability to take a combi-weapon on the sarge is a huge difference that puts C:SM Tacticals at a step above C:DA ones. Combat Tactics is really optional, and fluffwise some people might think it odd that Dark Angels would be falling back on purpose, but game wise it does have its uses. I'll agree with Isiah it's not always about winning, but if you really wanted to win, you'd more likely be asking if it's okay to use Space Wolves or Blood Angels, and those armies tend to stray much further away from a normal Space Marine army in structure to really max out their effectiveness, but C:SM you can still build a pretty competitive army while maintaining a fluffy DA Greenwing army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2719431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 My robed marines are going to be played with Codex Space Marines. It's the lower cost and increased flexibility that appeals. As Tyrion says, Codex Space Marines is not a WAAC army, in theory you could make a more competitive army using the Blood Angel list. For myself I'm building a bike heavy army around a biker Captain and biker Librarian. I've mixed up the Dark Angels colours a bit. The colour scheme is quartered green and bone, with black robes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2719500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiltedMarine Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 @Freman- pics, man. That scheme sounds very cool! Thanks for the input, guys. I'm not looking for a "point, click, win" list at all; quite the opposite- I'm much more interested in a characterful list that feels like an old school DA army. The structure of the newest C:DA just puts too much emphasis on the white and black parts of the force, and not enough, IMO, on the green. Of course, my "green" is about half a shade up from "black," but there you go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2721481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 One word. FALLEN. Simple as that. :P Ok I am kidding here, as long as you can take some ribbing in good fun hopefully, there is nothing wrong. They are your minis, your game. One thing I do have to say is you seem to be a power gamer just because of the words, and I quote "but the lack of options available in C:DA is kind of appalling" seems to me you need better rules so you can win. There are a few people on this very forum who use the SW codex (how Ironic eh?) to make a DA army only because it is more FLUFFIER to do so not becaue the ruels are better or stronger. This I have no problem with, but to say lack of options avaliable...apalling just seems you need to win. But saying this, I still have no problem. As long as I can rib you a bit it's a good fun. There is a guy in my group who plays DA but uses the C:SM. I told him he is playing Fallen and he goes "no Dark Angles" lol then he caught on to what I was doing. In the end it's all about fun and do as you please. While it may be true about the "appalling" it is sort of insulting for you to say that since I refuse to use the C:SM and only use C:DA so next time choose the words a bit more carefully. :D It almost sounded like you were bellitilling anyone who used C:DA but I now that wasn't your intent but this being the interent that is how I read it the first time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2724838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTheImp Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I think he means by it's "appalling" that the First Legion doesn't get the options the other marines do. Not as a sleight to those who play Greenwing using the C:DA, but more as a "Why do we get the short end of the gear stick?". Honestly, it is true, C:SM can do Greenwing much better than C:DA can, and I enjoy using C:SM for my Greenwing (Though they aren't green, more uh, metallic and redwing!), but lately I've been using my Deathwing with C:DA and having a great time with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2724944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 That is why I said at the end, it wasn't his intent but reading it the first time it seemed like that. That is why I read it 3 times to make sure. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2725999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5628744531_cdd4d7c306.jpg It started life as a blood claw biker, hence the chainsword, and it needs the highlights/detailing, but that's the general colour scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2727808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 There is no auto-win. There is such thing as at least starting on an equal footing though. So, people use C: SM for their Greenwing armies. It is not about the win, but about not having a 50-125 pt. handicapped right out of the gate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2727852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallboy Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 What an awesome thread!! I'm also looking at doing a C:SM DA army, for no other reason than I love the DA fluff and the models look awesome!! As the OP my army will be very tactical heavy with no bikes or termies, so I'm not really feeling the urge to get the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227002-green-marines/#findComment-2730879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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