Byrne Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Hi, not sure about this, I posted this in the other forum as well. I run a Lord with saga of the bear and storm shield. I been a little concerned about the cost when I found this... I was reading the GK codex, and I looked at the S-B rule. it say "items of wargear" so stormshield is an equipment, does that mean S-B don´t work on an armou or storm shield? whats your take? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Equipment is wargear. /done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrne Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 ok :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I've already felt the joy of my thunder lord losing his shield, I'm going to need my own sniper squad in the near future to deal with this bastard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I've already felt the joy of my thunder lord losing his shield, I'm going to need my own sniper squad in the near future to deal with this bastard. Snipers aren't going to be much cop vs. a Vindicare Assassin, they will be in cover and they have a stealth suit so ranged weapons will be at a hefty disadvantage. Wolf Scouts or Drop Pods are probably your best bet at flushing these guys out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 does that mean that ragnar's invul stays then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow warrior Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 does that mean that ragnar's invul stays then? Yes think so, same with the dogde save that DE witches have. (it is only in closecombat so the vindi can't shoot it then but its an example) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrne Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 Longfangs with ML will be good... one missed ssave and he´s gone :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If its just something they have, like say a demons invulnerable or the legion of the damned, then it stays. If its wargear, like a stormshield, terminator armor, combat shield, iron wolf amulet, etc- it goes. Ragnars is just a special rule, so it cant be taken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I've already felt the joy of my thunder lord losing his shield, I'm going to need my own sniper squad in the near future to deal with this bastard. Snipers aren't going to be much cop vs. a Vindicare Assassin, they will be in cover and they have a stealth suit so ranged weapons will be at a hefty disadvantage. Wolf Scouts or Drop Pods are probably your best bet at flushing these guys out. Last time I had my twc take care of him. The bastard put him in a bunker giving the assassin av 14 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I've already felt the joy of my thunder lord losing his shield, I'm going to need my own sniper squad in the near future to deal with this bastard. Snipers aren't going to be much cop vs. a Vindicare Assassin, they will be in cover and they have a stealth suit so ranged weapons will be at a hefty disadvantage. Wolf Scouts or Drop Pods are probably your best bet at flushing these guys out. Last time I had my twc take care of him. The bastard put him in a bunker giving the assassin av 14 Ah, bunkers. Or as I like to call them, deathtraps. Traditionally only one or two exits and static objects. Surround the doors, cover in meltabombs, cackle mercilessly. Bring more Wolf Scouts! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I've already felt the joy of my thunder lord losing his shield, I'm going to need my own sniper squad in the near future to deal with this bastard. Snipers aren't going to be much cop vs. a Vindicare Assassin, they will be in cover and they have a stealth suit so ranged weapons will be at a hefty disadvantage. Wolf Scouts or Drop Pods are probably your best bet at flushing these guys out. Last time I had my twc take care of him. The bastard put him in a bunker giving the assassin av 14 Ah, bunkers. Or as I like to call them, deathtraps. Traditionally only one or two exits and static objects. Surround the doors, cover in meltabombs, cackle mercilessly. Bring more Wolf Scouts! Yeah my TWC hammer failed, the rending failed, but my 3rd wolf with meltas did the job! Too bad after blowing away the bunker, that meant that his assassin got to take one more shot at me before I could assault him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2720909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think the rule is a little OP, personally. Not the part that allows it to remove the Invul save, but more the fact that it is "as soon as the Wound is allocated." I wouldn't have a problem with it if the target unit was allowed to take their Invul save and if they failed it, then it was removed (like the DE Archon's 2++ save). Still, I suppose he is "just" a T4 model with 36" range. That pretty much guarantees that he's going to be in range of 48" Krak Missiles. If you fire 4 or 5 at him in one round, odds are good he's going to fail one of those 3+ Cover saves and then he's done. You should only need to hide that expensive leader for one turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2721634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think the rule is a little OP, personally. Not the part that allows it to remove the Invul save, but more the fact that it is "as soon as the Wound is allocated." I wouldn't have a problem with it if the target unit was allowed to take their Invul save and if they failed it, then it was removed (like the DE Archon's 2++ save). Still, I suppose he is "just" a T4 model with 36" range. That pretty much guarantees that he's going to be in range of 48" Krak Missiles. If you fire 4 or 5 at him in one round, odds are good he's going to fail one of those 3+ Cover saves and then he's done. You should only need to hide that expensive leader for one turn. Good to know, I haven't played against a GK for a bit, so I haven't had a chance to see the range of this bastard. Next time I'll just steer clear of him if he's in a heavily fortified position. Either I'll missile him, or drop a 10 man squad on his arse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2721670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Dont spend many resources trying to kill vindicares. They take on average 6 wounds from your force. Just threaten it with a GH unit or Razor to keep it from popping your expensive HQ units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227128-gkshield-breaker/#findComment-2722001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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