Grandmaster Anaziel Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I just found out about Andy Chamber's Valedictors. I know in his fluff they were an Astartes Legion that fought on the Eastern Fringe during the heresy. Can anyone tell me more about this Legion? I know they are oak leaf green and have a winged V as their symbol. Are there any pictures of Valedictors painted? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 They are mentioned in WD126 and 136 but if I recall they have only ever been presented in EPIC format. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2720733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 THIS is the only image of the Valedictors I'm aware of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2720749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Anaziel Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 THIS is the only image of the Valedictors I'm aware of. That's the only picture I was able to find as well. Does anyone know anything about the fluff other than that they are probably one of the missing Legions? Their predominant tactics and strategies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2720791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Only that they were retconned to be a normal, second+ founding chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2721485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 The accepted belief now is that they were just a chapter, and not a Legion, and I know nothing of their combat tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2721811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 So... We can assume the Legion got expunded from all official records, but the Imperium let a thousand of them (or more, is it a non-codex chapter?) carry on as a chapter come the second founding. They are not to talk about their Primarch to anyone or the about the truth behind their origin and the whys and wherefores of them being expunded from the original records of the legions. Kind of ironic to be a chapter told to keep their mouth shut with a name like Valedictors. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2721870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Or... It was just an author that didnt do enough background research before writing his book. Or maybe they were planned to be one of the Lost Legions until GW thought up a brand new idea for the lost legions that fits with the Horus Heresy series now so they changed the Valedictors to an ordinary chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2721903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Much more fun to shoehorn the GW retcon back into continuity. Then again, it might be an Alpha Legion ruse at the end anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2721915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekk_Sirius Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Um, they were created in an age when there wasn't 20 Legions, so the creator was working within different parameters... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2723773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Um, they were created in an age when there wasn't 20 Legions, so the creator was working within different parameters... Untrue, that the 1st Founding comprised 20 Chapters* was established about issue 97 - this was several years after that, the WD126 article they were created for also referred to the first founding as being 20 Chapters * they changed the terminology part way through 2nd edition, that picture is of the 3rd Regiment of the Valedictors Chapter, under modern parlance that would be the 3rd Chapter of the Valedictors Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2724598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Anaziel Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 Um, they were created in an age when there wasn't 20 Legions, so the creator was working within different parameters... Untrue, that the 1st Founding comprised 20 Chapters* was established about issue 97 - this was several years after that, the WD126 article they were created for also referred to the first founding as being 20 Chapters * they changed the terminology part way through 2nd edition, that picture is of the 3rd Regiment of the Valedictors Chapter, under modern parlance that would be the 3rd Chapter of the Valedictors Legion. At that time had other foundings happened before the heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2724635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekk_Sirius Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Um, they were created in an age when there wasn't 20 Legions, so the creator was working within different parameters... Untrue, that the 1st Founding comprised 20 Chapters* was established about issue 97 - this was several years after that, the WD126 article they were created for also referred to the first founding as being 20 Chapters * they changed the terminology part way through 2nd edition, that picture is of the 3rd Regiment of the Valedictors Chapter, under modern parlance that would be the 3rd Chapter of the Valedictors Legion. Yes, they were. However, back then, the Big 20 weren't the end all of Chapters, they were just the oldest. Their was no 2nd Founding, after the Horus Heresy, Chapters were merely downsized, rather than broken up. That's why the Valedictors were perfectly acceptable Chapter back then. Space Marine organization. The basics were there, but it still wasn't anywhere near the end product. I mean look at what the Big Four (Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Ultramarines and Dark Angels) were back then: here and here. If this was still true, the Ultramarines would be the Iron Hands, the Space Wolves the Blood Angels, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2732190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Their was no 2nd Founding, after the Horus Heresy, Chapters were merely downsized, rather than broken up. Space Marine organization. Actually I've always interpreted the sentence on that page: "Space Marine Chapters are of much larger size than those formed afterwards out of their shattered remnants" to mean that yes, they were broken up (the first explicit mention of them being broken up being only 3 months later in WD129) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227142-the-valedictors/#findComment-2732228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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