Nian Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Is there any wonder that some of the old Daemonhunter vets are arguing over wether they can keep using their old codex in tournaments? Even I have considered sticking with the 3rd ed... The main issue I see is that the codex is too expensive. It's like the BA dex but with all the expensive bling mandatory. Matt Ward screwed us when he removed Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. We lost the ability to easily field cheap and effective troops. The lower BS of the Warrior Acolyte is just insult to injury. At the very least I damn well hope they add +1 BS to them in an faq. The next insult is the appalingly mediocre psilencer and the now boring psycannon and incinerator that use to be unique but are now bloody +1STR assault cannons. ;). give me back my ignores invulnerability. At the end of the day, Grey knights is not a 5th Edition of Daemonhunters, it's a completely new army with the same unit/gear names. Oh and can they please faq in Inquisitors as an Elite choice so we don't have to have Coteaz in every bloody army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2722553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Is there any wonder that some of the old Daemonhunter vets are arguing over wether they can keep using their old codex in tournaments?Even I have considered sticking with the 3rd ed... The main issue I see is that the codex is too expensive. It's like the BA dex but with all the expensive bling mandatory. Matt Ward screwed us when he removed Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. We lost the ability to easily field cheap and effective troops. The lower BS of the Warrior Acolyte is just insult to injury. At the very least I damn well hope they add +1 BS to them in an faq. The next insult is the appalingly mediocre psilencer and the now boring psycannon and incinerator that use to be unique but are now bloody +1STR assault cannons. :lol:. give me back my ignores invulnerability. At the end of the day, Grey knights is not a 5th Edition of Daemonhunters, it's a completely new army with the same unit/gear names. Oh and can they please faq in Inquisitors as an Elite choice so we don't have to have Coteaz in every bloody army. I have been away for a while so I haven't gotten the new 'dex yet..... Now, I'm not sure I want to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2722863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Is there any wonder that some of the old Daemonhunter vets are arguing over wether they can keep using their old codex in tournaments?Even I have considered sticking with the 3rd ed... The main issue I see is that the codex is too expensive. It's like the BA dex but with all the expensive bling mandatory. Matt Ward screwed us when he removed Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. We lost the ability to easily field cheap and effective troops. The lower BS of the Warrior Acolyte is just insult to injury. At the very least I damn well hope they add +1 BS to them in an faq. The next insult is the appalingly mediocre psilencer and the now boring psycannon and incinerator that use to be unique but are now bloody +1STR assault cannons. :). give me back my ignores invulnerability. At the end of the day, Grey knights is not a 5th Edition of Daemonhunters, it's a completely new army with the same unit/gear names. Oh and can they please faq in Inquisitors as an Elite choice so we don't have to have Coteaz in every bloody army. Color me confused.... GKs get 5pts cheaper, keep their shooting ability and gain power weapons... and you think the new bling is 'mandatory'? Sorry, but you make no sense. Im sorry you miss being able to ignore invulnerable saves- heck, Id prefer that to this +1 S stuff too- but stormtroopers were already a horrible idea. Seriously, if I wanted to include a cheap scoring unit with good massed firepower when designing an old-school GK army Id never, ever include stormtroopers. EVER. Id ally in sisters of battle at +1pt a model for power armor, bolters, larger squad sizes and better special weapons... oh, and faith points. Storm troopers were in general a lame choice. And the best part? If I were a GK player who felt the need to throw in some cheap scoring units Id probly still do that. Just remember NOT to sacrifice them in a blood ritual to khorne, mmkay? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2722904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 ...still, never thought I'd see the day when Hitler was defending GK players worldwide. Has the backlash really been this bad compared to a normal codex release? In an army book that contains Torquemada Coteaz (Spanish Inquisition) and access to the Psychic Power Holocaust, it was really only a matter of time... :) I chuckled at the "I roll more '1's' than binary!" phrase though. I do believe that is my battlecry whenever I play my Nipplewing army. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2722911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Is there any wonder that some of the old Daemonhunter vets are arguing over wether they can keep using their old codex in tournaments?Even I have considered sticking with the 3rd ed... The main issue I see is that the codex is too expensive. It's like the BA dex but with all the expensive bling mandatory. Matt Ward screwed us when he removed Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. We lost the ability to easily field cheap and effective troops. The lower BS of the Warrior Acolyte is just insult to injury. At the very least I damn well hope they add +1 BS to them in an faq. The next insult is the appalingly mediocre psilencer and the now boring psycannon and incinerator that use to be unique but are now bloody +1STR assault cannons. :). give me back my ignores invulnerability. At the end of the day, Grey knights is not a 5th Edition of Daemonhunters, it's a completely new army with the same unit/gear names. Oh and can they please faq in Inquisitors as an Elite choice so we don't have to have Coteaz in every bloody army. Color me confused.... GKs get 5pts cheaper, keep their shooting ability and gain power weapons... and you think the new bling is 'mandatory'? Sorry, but you make no sense. Im sorry you miss being able to ignore invulnerable saves- heck, Id prefer that to this +1 S stuff too- but stormtroopers were already a horrible idea. Seriously, if I wanted to include a cheap scoring unit with good massed firepower when designing an old-school GK army Id never, ever include stormtroopers. EVER. Id ally in sisters of battle at +1pt a model for power armor, bolters, larger squad sizes and better special weapons... oh, and faith points. Storm troopers were in general a lame choice. And the best part? If I were a GK player who felt the need to throw in some cheap scoring units Id probly still do that. Just remember NOT to sacrifice them in a blood ritual to khorne, mmkay? Have to disagree. Stormtroopers were actually the only way to have a shot at winning with the old DH. 70 points nets you 2 plasma guns or 2 melta guns. For just over 100 you could get a rhino full of anti tank weapons. Storm troopers were full of win. On your point about the invulnerable saves I agree though. I think turning psycannons into generic assault cannons at +1 is terribad. I really wish they were more unique than that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2723115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmcsnatch Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 # of Hitler's Officers = # of Space Wolves on any given weekend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2723154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 In an army book that contains Torquemada Coteaz (Spanish Inquisition) Wow...I can't believe I didn't catch that. http://underthemountain.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/inquisition5.jpg?w=500&h=386 Finally, an excuse to employ these beauties into 40k! B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2723174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Have to disagree. Stormtroopers were actually the only way to have a shot at winning with the old DH. 70 points nets you 2 plasma guns or 2 melta guns. For just over 100 you could get a rhino full of anti tank weapons. Storm troopers were full of win. On your point about the invulnerable saves I agree though. I think turning psycannons into generic assault cannons at +1 is terribad. I really wish they were more unique than that. Disagree all you want- 70pts got you five guys who died to a stiff breeze. Take 6 squads of them if you like, it wont matter- as soon as your opponent wants them dead they are gone. Frankly, that makes them a horrible unit to lay your plans on and generally speaking a waste of points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2723713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I agree with mage. GK didnt realy lose stuff. HtH upgrades when they werent a good or even medicore hth army ? who cares . they got a huge boost in the shoting phase , force weapons mean they dont have to run counter units and if someone wants cheap troops then as mage said a squad of sisters if very cheap .And if you realy realy realy want storm troopers , then you can have them . then ones from the WH dex . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2723819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Using the Ally rules from the current WH dex is a very good point. :) Until the Sisters get thier new Dex that is! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2723824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 and they wont get one in the coming year which is longer then most people play w40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2723882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladigar Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 In an army book that contains Torquemada Coteaz (Spanish Inquisition) Wow...I can't believe I didn't catch that. http://underthemountain.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/inquisition5.jpg?w=500&h=386 Finally, an excuse to employ these beauties into 40k! ;) OMG where can I get those?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2725480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 OMG where can I get those?! Victoria Miniatures. They cost an arm and a leg for just 3 models but the funny factor is priceless ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2725712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olgerth Istaarn Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Old meme is old. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2725733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Is there any wonder that some of the old Daemonhunter vets are arguing over wether they can keep using their old codex in tournaments?Even I have considered sticking with the 3rd ed... Matt Ward screwed us when he removed Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. We lost the ability to easily field cheap and effective troops. The lower BS of the Warrior Acolyte is just insult to injury. At the very least I damn well hope they add +1 BS to them in an faq. The Warrior Acolytes are ok as cheap meat shields but if you want them to have equipment I think most of it costs too much... If we keep the base cost as 4pts... then 1pt for a bolter is fair enough I guess but 10pts for power armour... 15pts!?!? Make power armour 4-6pts and at 9-11pts... thats pretty cool... I woulc compare it to the 11pt sisters of battle. Stormshield 20pts... + power sword 15pts... + warrior... = 39pts... looks at crusader for 15pts... Okay you could argue the crusader is too cheap... but either way what where they thinking XD seriously I think only the Jokaero weaponsmith gives warrior acolytes any kind of point beyond meat shields and oh I need a special weapon... +12 rng or rending could be nice but that isn't reliable... Cheaper weapons/equipment, BS4 or being able to spam more of the special weapons might have made them some sort of contenders... Not being a fan of spam I would prefer the cheaper equipment to make some guys who are better than guard having either bolters as the standard weapon for the squad or having power armour their inquisitorial (or Mechanicum) boss has provided them with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227198-all-who-play-40k-watch-this/page/2/#findComment-2725752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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