Angron without brain implants

[Perrin]

Discuss <_<

 

Or is it written anywhere what Angron would have been like if he hadnt received the brain implants that turned him into a psychopath?

I think he would have been noble, like his Legion seems before they are united with him and like the World Eaters are in the Dornian History.

[Billuriye]

Too many variables, mon. But before union with his legion, war hounds were known to be bloodthirsty. It seems only convenient that he received implants.

[Aurelius Rex]

There were a number of things that turned the Dornian Heresy Angron into the non-frothing loony, not just the lack of implants. He had taken a conscious decision to reject them, and also what it represented - the whole slavery and killing for the pleasure of the slavers. The other really important difference in the Dornian Heresy Angron was the Emperor teleporting down to fight alongside him at the mountaintop 'last stand', which showed Angron that he was a guy who he could respect, not just another slaver who wanted him to die and bleed at his bidding. This obviously went down better than the Horus Heresy version of things, where the Emperor had him teleported away to 'save' him from the slaughter at the summit of Fedan Mhor, but left him anguished that his slave brothers had been left to die, and that the Emperor had not even thought to save them. This added another layer of bitterness and resentment to the HH Angron's personality.

 

But yes, I guess that without the anger chips Angron would have been more stable, but if his underlying attitude / psychosis remained, then he probably would have found ways to boost his aggression once in the position of primarch. :)

[2000AD]

Actually dont mean to be a pedantic SOB but Angron wasnt a psychoapth....... displays of emotion run totally contrary to the true nature of a psychopath. They are incapable of perceiving and understanding emotion..... rage, anger, hatred.. etc.

 

Angron was a psychotic.

[BassWave]

Actually that's not quite true either. Psychopathic behavior is more about the lack of guilt towards a morally wrong act, even when they know its wrong. There are aggressive psychopaths, but the calm ones are the ones you look out for because they are the ones who will come up with elaborate plans to make you suffer. A real life example would be charles manson. A prime fictional example would be the joker. Now if you think about it, in the grim darkness of 40K, there are many psychopaths. The ones that stand out fabius bile, ferrus mannus, and comissars.

 

I agree that psychopaths do experience emotion at a different level, especially in response to fear. The structure of the brain that processes fear is actually smaller than normal. But being a psychopath doesn't make you emotionless, just heartless. Which Angron was not. He had called those gladiators his brothers, and after that incident he was filled with grief and rage because he could not save them. A psychopath would just be mad that he wasn't able to conquer the planet, he would just see those warriors as pawns in his grand scheme. Angron, he had heart.

[Spacefrisian]

Its saver to say he was a Berserker. Uncontrollable rage

[Billuriye]

Now if you think about it, in the grim darkness of 40K, there are many psychopaths. The ones that stand out fabius bile, ferrus mannus, and comissars.

 

Ferrus Manus was a psycho ? I think not.

[Candleshoes]

An unstoppable force, and in danger of not being much else. Angron has a tendency to act, and act in the extreme, before he thinks. Bellicose, with a permanently simmering temper when not in action, punctuated by violent outbursts if he feels in any way wronged or is simply unable to expend his excess energy for whatever reason.

 

Angron can be tactically brilliant, so long as total annihilation of the enemy is the goal. He will also have a strong sense of honour, and defend his friends, allies and beliefs vigorously.

 

He has a tendency to take things very personally, and may conjure up imagined insults out of any unfortunate turn of phrase. He himself forcefully speaks his mind, regardless of any mitigating factor. While this often causes trouble, sometimes it is just what is needed.

 

At best, an unstoppable warrior, with superlative energy and martial skill and unshakable honour.

 

At worst, unrestrained and wantonly violent, unconcerned about who or why he is fighting as long as he is allowed to fight.

 

Quoted from the tarot list, it shows what Angron is, isn't, and what he has the potential to be.

 

He has and always will be an honour bound, highly prideful individual and is the direct embodiment of everything that Rogal Dorn isn't. It's bred in his blood, implants or not. The only one to match in savagery like Russ, Angron lacks the focus and clarity of purpose that makes Russ such an intelligent and deadly beast (in the wider spectrum).

 

Think of what a gladiator is (from our own past), of how he lives and breathes, his single minded training and vision, his actions all driven one way, and all the laurels and celebration it brings to continue winning through victory and death. That mindset, that mentality, always moving forward, never back, never blocking defensivley, ever deflecting to keep the momentum and create an opening, being so well trained and disciplined in the moment, only and ever for the moment, to block out the world and everything in it to ensure victory. The wider never will matter as much as the singular, and there is no better combatant. Rely on yourself alone, your training, and the tradition of the fallen before you.

 

Angron has always been noble, but not in the sense many of us take it, and I have always had the sense that his Brothers see that nobility, shown only for equals in arms, and the strength to back words. Honour is all to Angron, implants or not. The deffinition however, is vastly different than say how Roboute sees it, but only a fool would say that Angron is without.

[BassWave]

Now if you think about it, in the grim darkness of 40K, there are many psychopaths. The ones that stand out fabius bile, ferrus mannus, and comissars.

 

Ferrus Manus was a psycho ? I think not.

 

Psychotic no, psychopathic yes. He believed that having a world in constant war was healthy, and in fact supported it. I think its safe to say that this is the complete opposite of what society believes.

[BassWave]

Sorry, double post

[Lord_Caerolion]

Indeed. Too many people get the definitions of psychotic and psychopathic mixed up, imagining both as "crazy ax-wielding maniac", when that really isn't the case.

[2000AD]

Quite often the image of what people believe a psychopath is, is actually that of a psychotic.

 

A psychotic is "mad"........ a psychopath is more often that not very in control and not prone to random outbursts.

 

 

As stated in other GW fluff there is an assumption that Khorne has no idea of strategy and tactics, this is the absolute height of follishness, its just that there tactics and strategy are 100% geared towards the total bloody anhilation of the enemy. All other factors are secondary.

 

Angron in a nutshell.