Brother Captain Ed Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Quick question that causes some heartburn at my local store. (I fully admit we are potentially like retarded jokaeroes flinging poo about and missing obvious rules, so I apologize in advance is this is blatantly obvious.) Ok, so let's say I have an elevated weapon system...squad on the second story of a ruin, bolter in a drop pod, whatever. Right below said weapon system is a melee combat. On the other side of that combat is a juicy enemy unit. Now...can I shoot at that unit? We see a rules conflict: the weapon system in question can clearly draw unobstructed line of sight to the target and that target meets all the other rules of targetting. However, you can't shoot "through" the melee. So does melee create an infinitely tall no-shoot cylinder? Or does the rule mean that if the target is obscured in anyway by melee it simply can't be shot at? Thanks for the help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Quick question that causes some heartburn at my local store. (I fully admit we are potentially like retarded jokaeroes flinging poo about and missing obvious rules, so I apologize in advance is this is blatantly obvious.) Ok, so let's say I have an elevated weapon system...squad on the second story of a ruin, bolter in a drop pod, whatever. Right below said weapon system is a melee combat. On the other side of that combat is a juicy enemy unit. Now...can I shoot at that unit? We see a rules conflict: the weapon system in question can clearly draw unobstructed line of sight to the target and that target meets all the other rules of targetting. However, you can't shoot "through" the melee. So does melee create an infinitely tall no-shoot cylinder? Or does the rule mean that if the target is obscured in anyway by melee it simply can't be shot at? Thanks for the help. There is no prohibition on shooting through melee. Pg.40 of the BRB only prohibits shooting out of or into a melee. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/#findComment-2721623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 Interesting. Now I don't see it. Is this a mistaken hold over from a previous edition then? Because you're right: I currently see no mention of it in the rulebook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/#findComment-2721760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Yes, that was a 4th Ed rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/#findComment-2721766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 Gotcha. Thanks a ton. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/#findComment-2721767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Its not a common occurrence, because as scruntched together as models are in assault its actually fairly difficult to draw LOS to a man-sized model on the other size, and there are few vehicles it wont obscure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/#findComment-2722083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted April 13, 2011 Author Share Posted April 13, 2011 You are right, of course, GM...assuming we're talking about a man-sized model on the ground. On several occasions I've had or seen units who can easily draw line of sight *over* a melee either from a building, a stormraven, a drop pod, whatever. We were just tripped up on an old rule. I hate when that happens. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/#findComment-2723019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Yeah, youll find as you get older it happens more. So. Many. Editions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227207-tlos-and-melee/#findComment-2723078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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