ICHD? Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Now, I am fully aware that these two were sneaky so-and-so's but I don't seem to recall anyone ever mentioning them or the Alpha Legion taking part in the Siege Of The Emperors Palace itself. This seems like a bit of an oversight to me, as not only would the Traitors be missing a whole Legion whose skills would be most beneficial during a siege (what with the sneaking and opening gates without people seeing), but 2 Primarches too! Surely Horus wouldn't have gone into the Endgame without all his best assets unless it was completely unavoidable? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Just because they weren't explicitly (or were they?) mentioned to be present doesn't mean they weren't there. Or that they were. This is afterall Alpha Legion we are talking about. Even this post if probably misinformation and a ruse. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2721922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Also, the warp plays a lot of interesting moves in that siege, for example, don't they strand the death guard forces in the warp for years, force them to accept nurgle, and then place them in the sol system just as things are getting exciting? Or am I mixing things up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2721982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverik_girl Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 from what I've read, the Alpha legion were fighting the Space Wolves, (hit and run) trying to slow the Wolves fleet towards Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2722107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Maverik is correct, their fleet engaged the Space Wolves to prevent them returning to Terra and (I think) also helped the Word Bearers attack Ultramar. What is interesting to note though is that while they fought the Space Wolves they also let the White Scars move on relatively unopposed and did nothing to stop them reaching Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2722119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Most of what has already been posted is bang on. The only recorded actions occurred "... well before the Warmaster's forces reached ancient Terra..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276), were Space Wolves, White Scars, and "... other Legions...". Obviously the conflict (if legitimate) against the Ultramarines after Terra's defense, would be the largest scale action on record. As far as whether or not they took part in the siege of Terra, the only answer is, no one knows, and we'll wait and see. Most likely, there were portions of the Alpha Legion who joined the Warmaster's muster for Terra, much like ADB did with the Night Lords (who also have a grainy claim to have fought for the walls), and with the new increased Legion size circulating (100,000 marines), there is no reason to think that their entire strength was absent. The old IA article makes one thing is certain, they fought for their own objectives in the Warmaster's campaign, and if a HH author creates a reason for them being there, it would not be out of place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2722313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Also, the warp plays a lot of interesting moves in that siege, for example, don't they strand the death guard forces in the warp for years, force them to accept nurgle, and then place them in the sol system just as things are getting exciting? Or am I mixing things up? I don't think it was years as they were at the Siege of Terra. Typhus killed the Navigators and said to Mortarion that he could get them to Terra then Grandfather Nurgle unleashed the Destroyer Hive on them all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2722328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 According to Collected Visions, the Alphas engaged the White Scars but held back the full measure of their forces while they forced Russ and the Wolves -- trying to link with the Khan at Chondax -- away from Terra. After the Scars departed for Terra, the Alphas pushed the Wolves further back, but then something happened to let them slip Alpharius' noose and make speed for Earth. The Emperor's words indicate that they "received help from an unexpected quarter," which could insinuations that either the Alphas were still loyal and just let the Wolves go or that a third party (most likely the Eldar) interceded and freed the Wolves to maneuver back towards Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2723318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 which is funny, as the Wolves were ordered by Dorn to led as the AL away from Terra as well... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2723443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Note that the Alpha Legion also fought at Yarant and Tallarn... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2724083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I'd assume the the Alpha Legion let the Space Wolves go so they could head to Terra. Alpha were definately loyal, for me at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2724567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Note that the Alpha Legion also fought at Yarant and Tallarn... Yarrant I knew of, but I thought Tallarn was Iron Warriors vs Iron Hands. I'd assume the the Alpha Legion let the Space Wolves go so they could head to Terra. Alpha were definately loyal, for me at least. Also how I look at it. Either that, or Alpharius and Omegon ended up disagreeing about the nature of their aide to Horus, leading one half of the Legion to be "loyalists in disguise" and the other half to be true Traitors. We won't know for some time, unfortuantely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2725862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Note that the Alpha Legion also fought at Yarant and Tallarn... Yarrant I knew of, but I thought Tallarn was Iron Warriors vs Iron Hands. "Alpharius' forces started going out of their way to find space marine opponents and inflicted stinging defeats on the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2726310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Ah. Yet CV says they fought the Scars at Chondax. Were there two clashes at Tallarn, or is this another example of fact-confusion on the part of GW's writers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2727401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICHD? Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 "....the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276) There were Traitor White Scars? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2727517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Wasn't this about the time when Tallarn was turned to nothing more than a desert? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2727539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I think the desertification of Tallarn was caused by the Iron Warriors virus-bombing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2727544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I think the desertification of Tallarn was caused by the Iron Warriors virus-bombing it. Aha, thank you Iron Lord. It's also interesting to see how the AL are going to accomplish what Alpharius set out for them (Or at least I suspect it's him), when they bring down the Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2727562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 "....the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276) There were Traitor White Scars? :drool: No, it's just emphasising the traitor-ness of the AL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2727636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICHD? Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 "....the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276) There were Traitor White Scars? :P No, it's just emphasising the traitor-ness of the AL Ah, but, are they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2728644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 "....the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276) There were Traitor White Scars? :o No, it's just emphasising the traitor-ness of the AL Ah, but, are they? :lol: touche ;) I don't really think they are... Or do I? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2728746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICHD? Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 "....the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276) There were Traitor White Scars? :o No, it's just emphasising the traitor-ness of the AL Ah, but, are they? :lol: touche ;) I don't really think they are... Or do I? :lol: Without meaning to give away major spoilers, for those that haven't already that is, read Legion. Much is explained. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2728770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 "....the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn..." (IA:Alpha Legion pg 57, WD276) There were Traitor White Scars? :o No, it's just emphasising the traitor-ness of the AL Ah, but, are they? :lol: touche ;) I don't really think they are... Or do I? :lol: Without meaning to give away major spoilers, for those that haven't already that is, read Legion. Much is explained. I will second this, a good read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227249-alpharius-and-omegon/#findComment-2728808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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