GK Librarian can cast spells twice?

[veidin]

I been looking through the codex and rulebook and Im probably just missing something, but all I can find in the rulebook is that a psyker cant cast 2 shooting spells in a turn. My question is, can a Librarian theoretically cast 3 summoning spells in a turn as they are not shooting and if he is psyker level 3? I dont see anywhere that states he cannot cast spells twice or even 3 times in a row. Mastery lever just states how many spells he can case. Thanks everyone!

[Tamwulf]

Main Rule Book pg. 50, second paragraph, first sentence: "Psykers can use one psychic power per player turn."

 

If you buy the upgrades, you can use more psychic powers. In the Grey Knights Codex, this is represented by the special rule Psyker (Mastery Level X), where X is the amount of Psychic Powers you can use each player turn. See the Grey Knights Codex Pg. 21, "Brotherhood of Psykers" special rule, sub-bullet 2.

[veidin]

Yes, but that doesnt answer the question of if they can cast the SAME spell twice so long as it's not a shooting spell. That is what Im looking to get answered. ^_^

[JamesI]

Doing so has been ruled legal in other codexes (Chaos Space Marines with Mark of Tzeentch can cast the same non-shooting power more than once a turn).

 

Most of the time there is no point, but it gives you an extra try if you fail or some powers work well used multiple times a turn.

[Iron Lord]

If I remember rightly, being able to use the same psychic power twice (on top of being able to use an extra power), is a special ability granted by Ahriman's staff, and Eldrad's staff. Which may imply, normally, a power can't be used twice even if you can use two powers per turn.

 

 

That said, both of those codicies were 4E- maybe it was a 4E rule but not a 5E rule?

[JamesI]

If I remember rightly, being able to use the same psychic power twice (on top of being able to use an extra power), is a special ability granted by Ahriman's staff, and Eldrad's staff. Which may imply, normally, a power can't be used twice even if you can use two powers per turn.

 

 

That said, both of those codicies were 4E- maybe it was a 4E rule but not a 5E rule?

Ahriman's staff allows him 3 powers a turn (and more than 1 shooty power a turn I think). The ability to use a power more than once (assuming able to use more than one power) is independent of Ahriman's wargear.

[Brother Lavis]

I can't see anywhere in the book where it says you can't, just that you can cast the amount of powers equal to your mastery level. I would let someone in a game tbh unless the rulebook or awaited FAQ says otherwise

[Iron Lord]

Ahriman's staff allows him 3 powers a turn (and more than 1 shooty power a turn I think). The ability to use a power more than once (assuming able to use more than one power) is independent of Ahriman's wargear.

 

It was the "and he can even use the same power twice if he desires" that caught my attention.

[veidin]

I used to play Chaos and that's why I was curious since Ahriman's had specific wording. To help shed light on why Im asking is Im going to play a teleport Grey Knight army. I want to be able to use the Summoning to bring up to 3 vehicles to my Librarian on turn 2 who will have Deep Struck in behind the enemy with Mordrak without scattering on turn 1. :lol:

[Dark Legionnare]

I've had Mephistons used against me who have reused Sanguine Sword if he failed it the first time. I've also used Unleash Rage a second time when I failed it because I had the Epistolary upgrade. I've had it ruled against me with that Mephiston, so I used it that way. You should be able to use 3 "The Summonings" if you've the Level 3 upgrade, I see no reason why not to.

 

In fact, I bank on that ruling because my Libby has Sanctuary and The Shrouding and depending on whatever is attacking me I'd love the ability to re-try for the power direly needed if I fail the first time, or it gets cancelled out.

[number6]

Yes, but that doesnt answer the question of if they can cast the SAME spell twice so long as it's not a shooting spell. That is what Im looking to get answered. :lol:

So long as the power in question isn't a psychic shooting attack, no problem. The BRB states that a psyker can not use more than one psychic shooting attack per turn, no matter what. Outside of that stipulation, go to town!

[veidin]

And as a last question how bout casting while assaulted? I dont have my rulebook on me since Im at work. if the Libby/Mordrak squad get assaulted turn one and is still locked in combat at the start of turn 2 can the Libby still cast summoning to bring things within 6" of him so long as they are not within an inch of the enemy? Thanks all for the help!

 

Edit: Summoning spell is cast at beginning of the movement phase for reference

[Hackbar]

I've often been told I can't use the same power twice unless i have a special ability that allows it. As several posters here have pointed out, though, nothing in the BRB or FAQs seems to support that view. Anybody got an older edition rulebook on hand and willing to see if this is a 3rd or 4th edition rule that's stuck in older players' heads?

[Dark Legionnare]

It's certainly not in the 4th Edition book, and I've no idea where in the Universe my 3rd Edition book is.

 

Edit: Saying you can't use the same power if it's a non-shooting one I mean.

[RolandTHTG]

I know in the elder codex there is a specific rule that says farseers can't use the same power twice, but that is a special rule of the eldar, not a universal one (which means Eldrad has an exception to an exception...) so you should be good summoning 3 times a turn!

[Drudge Dreadnought]

The rules say you can use multiple powers (if you have the mastery level.) The only restriction is that only one shooting attack can be used per turn. That is all. Using the same power more than once is fair game.

[Wildfire]

And as a last question how bout casting while assaulted? I dont have my rulebook on me since Im at work. if the Libby/Mordrak squad get assaulted turn one and is still locked in combat at the start of turn 2 can the Libby still cast summoning to bring things within 6" of him so long as they are not within an inch of the enemy? Thanks all for the help!

 

Yes. Assault does not block powers unless the power states it does. Otherwise how would you cast all those assault powers?

 

I've often been told I can't use the same power twice unless i have a special ability that allows it. As several posters here have pointed out, though, nothing in the BRB or FAQs seems to support that view. Anybody got an older edition rulebook on hand and willing to see if this is a 3rd or 4th edition rule that's stuck in older players' heads?

 

There's a rule that states that you cannot use a shooting power twice in one turn. That is probably the source of confusion.

[DeathKorpsman]

Also be advised that that using the Summoning while you are locked in combat is potentially quite hazardous. The unit summoned arrives using the Deep Strike rules, which includes the potential to scatter and mishaps, etc. A nearby servo-skull helps, if you can manage it.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Also be advised that that using the Summoning while you are locked in combat is potentially quite hazardous. The unit summoned arrives using the Deep Strike rules, which includes the potential to scatter and mishaps, etc. A nearby servo-skull helps, if you can manage it.

 

Good thing Librarians can take teleport homers ;)

[Dark Legionnare]

Good thing Librarians can take teleport homers ;)

 

Amen.

[Grey Mage]

Yes, but that doesnt answer the question of if they can cast the SAME spell twice so long as it's not a shooting spell. That is what Im looking to get answered. ;)

So long as the power in question isn't a psychic shooting attack, no problem. The BRB states that a psyker can not use more than one psychic shooting attack per turn, no matter what. Outside of that stipulation, go to town!

Actualy 6, theres more to it than that.

 

A Psycker who is also a monstrous creature is allowed to use two psychic shooting attacks in a turn, provided they can cast that many.

 

However, the last sentence in the shooting area says that they still may not cast the same power twice in one turn. This implies that this is normally the case- ie, each power once per turn.

 

However its rather a grey area- no pun intended.

[ChaosPhoenix]

Also be advised that that using the Summoning while you are locked in combat is potentially quite hazardous. The unit summoned arrives using the Deep Strike rules, which includes the potential to scatter and mishaps, etc. A nearby servo-skull helps, if you can manage it.

 

Good thing Librarians can take teleport homers ;)

 

Which don't seem to work with the power, if you read it closely -_-

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Also be advised that that using the Summoning while you are locked in combat is potentially quite hazardous. The unit summoned arrives using the Deep Strike rules, which includes the potential to scatter and mishaps, etc. A nearby servo-skull helps, if you can manage it.

 

Good thing Librarians can take teleport homers ;)

 

Which don't seem to work with the power, if you read it closely -_-

 

Aww, I think you're right :(

[ChaosPhoenix]

Aww, I think you're right ;)

 

Which is somehow weird since the Librarian is the only modell, who can take a Homer and could use it for his power, but isn't allowed too...

[Decoy]

I think in this case, it's a case of "If the rules don't say you -can- do it, you can't." If there's no rule allowing you to cast the same power twice in a turn, then you can't. (Also, as GM pointed out, there is at least some precedence elsewhere what implies that you can't.)