Space Wolves v Alpha Legion (Space Battle)

[Jim Shady]

We all know that Russ and his boys were stuck fighting the Alpha Legion in space after Prospero. Now, The Khan made way for Terra in preperation to defend Terra after saying he would help Russ but Dorn told his to make speed for Terra BUT I read somewhere that during the fight between SW and AL, the SW had help from an unlikely source. I bring this question to you, who do YOU think it is.

 

I did think it was the Eldar but I doubt that Russ would be happy with help from the pointy eared fella's from the Craftworlds.

[Aegnor]

Coulda been the Cabal. Russ might not have wanted or asked for help from the Eldar, but if he was desperate to get to his Father's side, and some Eldar turned up unannounced and started blasting the Alpha Legion, in the process letting him get to Terra, do you think he'd attack them, or refuse to take advantage of the distraction?

[Jim Shady]

Coulda been the Cabal. Russ might not have wanted or asked for help from the Eldar, but if he was desperate to get to his Father's side, and some Eldar turned up unannounced and started blasting the Alpha Legion, in the process letting him get to Terra, do you think he'd attack them, or refuse to take advantage of the distraction?

 

He'd want to attack them cause they are Xenos but then again maybe he'd have attacked BOTH the AL and the Eldar?

 

I like the Cabal theory though why would they tell the AL that they must side with Horus only for them to help out the SW.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Coulda been the Cabal. Russ might not have wanted or asked for help from the Eldar, but if he was desperate to get to his Father's side, and some Eldar turned up unannounced and started blasting the Alpha Legion, in the process letting him get to Terra, do you think he'd attack them, or refuse to take advantage of the distraction?

 

He'd want to attack them cause they are Xenos but then again maybe he'd have attacked BOTH the AL and the Eldar?

 

I like the Cabal theory though why would they tell the AL that they must side with Horus only for them to help out the SW.

 

i dont believe the intolerance of Xenos was everpreset in the HH era. i always believed it was more of a Imperium thing than a Emperor thing.

 

the Emperor's Children meet with Eldrad.

Imperial authorities want to include the Laer in the Empire of Man.

 

I have always taken the unexpected aid to be from the Lion. it also helps these two for the march to terra.

 

WLK

[Candleshoes]

Edit*

Answered my own question.

 

Edit*

If it was the Lion I would be as pleased as pie. Like you said, it would really reinforce the two fierce friends/rivals and the old story that they made their march home together (with all the problems that it entailed). It would also go further in reinforcing that the Lion was, and always will be, Loyal to the Emperor.

[Sons of Horus]

I think it was the Dark Angels. I doubt the Eldar would pick sides (especially the Emperor's side since he's essentially building into the webway... or Chaos because it's Chaos).

[Aegnor]

Normally I'm sure they'd attack the Eldar, but Russ is not an idiot and has the ability to prioritise. If you're frantic to come to your father's rescue and someone you normally don't like removes an obstacle preventing you doing so - and makes no move to delay you further - would you then delay yourself, and weaken yourself, by starting a fight with them? Or simply head to your father's aid as quickly as you can? Attacking some xenos who aren't threatening him would have been pretty far down Russ's to do list at that point in the Heresy.

 

Certainly doesn't mean they were Eldar, but just saying the argument that Russ would not work with xenos isn't a persuavsive reason for it not being Eldar.

[Artein]

I don't think it was the Cabal.

 

The Cabal wanted Horus to win so that the galaxy would prevail.

[Aegnor]

Ah, but as with all stories involving Eldar farseers, there's pretty much infinite scope to justify ANYTHING they do as somehow ultimately serving their long-term goals. Maybe their vision of Horus winning included Russ getting to Earth at a certain time. :D

[A D-B]

I see you reading this thread, Doctor Wraight.

 

That's right. I see you.

[malika666]

We don't know if all the Eldar follow the Cabal, it might very well be that most Eldar factions (be it Craftworlder, Exodites, Harlequins, Dark Eldar, etc) have little or no interest in the Cabal's plans.

 

By the way, where is it said that the Space Wolves received help from an "unlikely source"?

[bjornsval]

We don't know if all the Eldar follow the Cabal, it might very well be that most Eldar factions (be it Craftworlder, Exodites, Harlequins, Dark Eldar, etc) have little or no interest in the Cabal's plans.

 

By the way, where is it said that the Space Wolves received help from an "unlikely source"?

 

Its old fluff from previous 40k editions. Sorry cant cite which it was from ,but its old stuff.

[Iron_Adam]

Maybe the word 'unlikely' isn't as dramatic as we think. What if it's imperial guard or something, and the reason it's unlikely is because that particular expedition fleet was once allied to the Alpha's. Or guards that hate the wolves.

 

I know its kinda reaching, but I'm putting it out there for discussion purposes. Just saying it might be more normal than we think

[Don the Oiler]

i dont believe the intolerance of Xenos was everpreset in the HH era. i always believed it was more of a Imperium thing than a Emperor thing.

 

Go tell that

the Eldar of the Craftworld the wolves destroyed, with the Eldar begging (in vain) for preservation of the wraithbone

 

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

i dont believe the intolerance of Xenos was everpreset in the HH era. i always believed it was more of a Imperium thing than a Emperor thing.

 

Go tell that

the Eldar of the Craftworld the wolves destroyed, with the Eldar begging (in vain) for preservation of the wraithbone

 

 

As has been said, the Wolves are dedicated to war in the HH era. point them and get out of their way, as when the stop they dont stop till they or the foe are dead.

 

judging the ENTIRE Imperium by their actions seems to be lazy thinking.

 

WLK

[Iron Father Ferrum]

The source of that fluff is not "old" stuff, its from the Horus Heresy: Collected Visions book that jump-started the entire Horus Heresy novel line in the first place.

 

As for the "unlikely" source of help to the Wolves, its always possible that Alphas were actually loyal and were just playing for time to keep them looking good to Horus. After all, the Collected Visions section that addresses this fight talks about how the majority of the Alpha fleet scattered the Wolves and kept them playing hit-and-run-games while the little ships -- implied as escorts, light cruisers, that sort of thing -- charged blindly into the guns of the massed White Scars fleet. Khan was confused because he was inflicting crushing damage to the Alphas and taking little in return; their capital ships refused to engage.

 

This course of action allows the White Scars to flee Chondax and make it back to Terra in time to defend the Imperial Palace against Horus' hordes. Meanwhile, the Alphas continue to play shadow games with the Space Wolves -- admittedly, the Emperor's anti-Astartes Astartes Legion -- to keep them off of Terra while the Traitors gain the upper hand. When the time is right, the Alphas fade away or stage a "loyalist" intervention of some sort, allowing the Wolves to make speed for Terra. Its often said that the proximity of the Wolves, Dark Angels, and Ultramarines is what pressured Horus into inviting the Emperor to the Vengeful Spirit, thus setting up Horus' death and the end of the Heresy.

[Artein]

We don't know if all the Eldar follow the Cabal, it might very well be that most Eldar factions (be it Craftworlder, Exodites, Harlequins, Dark Eldar, etc) have little or no interest in the Cabal's plans.

 

Not all I think. The Cabal wanted Horus to win the Heresy. Eldrad wanted to stop it, that's why he was talking with Fulgrim.

[Walter Payton]

I've always assumed that it was the Lion. It would also fit with the whole tease of the Lion waiting to decide who would win...

[malika666]

We don't know if all the Eldar follow the Cabal, it might very well be that most Eldar factions (be it Craftworlder, Exodites, Harlequins, Dark Eldar, etc) have little or no interest in the Cabal's plans.

 

Not all I think. The Cabal wanted Horus to win the Heresy. Eldrad wanted to stop it, that's why he was talking with Fulgrim.

 

I doubt we truly know what the Cabal wants, for all we know they could have been lying, they're xenos after all!

[Karrious]

I want it to be loyalist thousand sons ;)

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I want it to be loyalist thousand sons :lol:

 

there never was one...

 

:)

WLK