teemoki Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Hi again guys! Only one question this time :unsure: I can't decide if I should buy and use 2x ac las sponson Predators or 2x Vindicators for my mechanical army...what do you use and why? Thankssssss! ^____^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eorek Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Preds...no doubt... vindicators are a good fear factor... and once you get a clean shot without coversaves against that expensive marine squad they are worth gold... but ever gun in the enemies arsenal is gonna point towards them, Better with a predator hanging back shooting stuff, it's cheap for what it does (las sponsours + autocannon main) and you don't have to get to up close as personal with them as you have to do with a vindicator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemoki Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 Hmmm that's what I was thinking too. If I wanted to include 2x predator and 1x vindicator..would that be ok? I know a lot of ppl say to run 2 vindicator always if you want to run them but I don't see why that is like "a must." I think 2:1 is still good... What do you guys think about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Crazy! Get the Vindicator! Get a siege shield! Drive roughshod over all terrain at non-newtonian speeds. Seriously, vindicators that move 12" and blast that glorious pie plate. The pred is alright, especially with fast, but if you're mech, you need something that can move up with your line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfinger Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 All depends on the list....they are two VERY different tanks w/ VERY different play styles. Ashton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 All depends on the list....they are two VERY different tanks w/ VERY different play styles. Ashton Agreed. I prefer the Vindicator in my style, but to properly answer this question we really need to know what list. Do you have a link to the rest of the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 If your army has any sort of serious CC element, take the pred, really. Nothing worse than getting blown to smitterens by your own pie plate scattering unto your troops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d503 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I field: Vindicator (no shield) Vindicator (no shield) Predator with TLLC, no sponsons All of them move 12 inches and fire every turn. The predator with the lascannons was an accident really - I picked one up cheap in a trade, and I find it makes an outstanding transport killer. People just ignore it all game, and it sweeps around cleaning stuff up while everyone else is busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLNH Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 What kind of a question is that? You should always take a Vindicator first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Vindicators are nice, but it only takes one weapon destroyed result to completely neuter it. That's one of the great things about the LC sponson predator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemoki Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 Thanks guys. Forgot to mention the list I bet that would help... Roughly... 1 librarian 1 reclusiarch 7 dc 2 pfs in a LRC 2 baals 2 mm attack bikes 3 5x man ras rbs with tlasc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfinger Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Preds in that list would be the best option. Ashton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemoki Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 Thanks for the suggestions and input guys! I was leaning towards the Predator at the beginning because it has more guns to knock off. For the Vindicator I can picture being very sad when they get a weapon destroyed -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Lem Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 There is always tank shock. Vroooom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemoki Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 Lol Baba Lem. :wallbash: Here's my new list thread. It's getting more and more fine tuned! -_- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=227476 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 2 Vindicators and one Pred. BA Fast tanks, nothing takes advantage of that quite as well as vindicators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel of justice Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 im running a pretty similar 1850 list atm reclusiarch 5 death company in a land raider redeemer with multi melta 3 assault squads in 2 las plas and an assualt cannon razorbacks Baal pred with assault cannon and heavy bolters 1 ac/las pred 2 vindicators 1 dc dread in drop pod 1 furioso with frag cannon and melta gun in a droppod I like the vindicators because it adds pressure to the opponent because strength 10 ap 2 pie plates are a threat to everyone and that coming towards you creates problems with target priority when nearly everything is scary and drop podding or in assault range who do you attack? also atm it seems like grey knights are going to be popular so the ability to kill multi wound paladins in 1 shot is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artex Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm gonna lend this thread to see if you guys can help me with the same thing. I am currently running this list; Gabriel Seth Assault Squad x10 (may doa depending on game/opponent) Meltagun x2 Powerfist Assault Squad x10 (may doa depending on game/opponent) Meltagun x2 Powerfist Assault Squad x10 (this one goes in Stormraven with Brother Corbulo and regular Furioso) Meltagun x2 Powerfist Brother Corbulo Stormraven Extra armour Furioso Dreadnought Furioso Librarian Predator Lascannon sponsons I also have one Priest with Jumppack in one of the Assault Squads. So what would work best in this list? To add one Vindicator or to remove the Predator and add 2 Vindicators? I really want to use på Stormraven since I like it alot, but I am ready to drop Gabriel Seth if needed (he is only in the list for the cool factor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Biskit Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 It depends on your play style and the types of opponents you face. Personally though I just find the Vindicator owns hands down every time, especially with your list. Pair them off with the Baals and you will have the kind of tag team most players have nightmares about. They will muller anything you task them to. This on its own will force your opponent to deal with them and your DC and RAS can roll up unhurt. Hell, if you put that list down against me I'd brown my pants there and then. Mind if I steal it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SincaiN Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I always take Vindi's over a ACLC Pred if it's a 1 on 1 type decision.. I use a lot of JP troups and the Vindi is a great way to draw heat off them as they move up and into CC If I'm making a heavy Mech list my Heavy Slots are usually Vindi, Vindi, ACLC Pred ... and if I was going to remove one it would always be the Pred, and I can say when ever an opponent puts a Vindi on the table it always catches my attention. Just how I make my lists though. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLNH Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 If your Vindicator loses the cannon, RAMMING SPEED! Read the Tank Shock and Ramming rules for Fast Vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm more on the side of the vindi as I can field Baal predators in the fast section (so that's me sorted for aesthetics) and vindis and baals can do a serious one two combo on anything.. Blow a transport apart with your vindi then mop up the troops with your baals and if the vindi didn't do it right away get in there with your mm attack bikes and open the bitch up, haha sorry ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syypher Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 That's interesting that many of you went to the vindicator.... it's great for scaring people but I find a after 1 weapon destroyed results using a tank that will be effectively just a tank shocked or ramming piece of metal as ineffective. The cheaper and more durable vehicle in my opinion is the best choice. However as more multi wound models come into play with grey knights it possibly will shift to the vindicator a little bit more. Also note though that Predators with las sponsons have a chance to insta kill those gk terminators or nobs as well... So imo predators still reign supreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 The Vindicator isnt a worthless 165pt terrain piece when you are playing hordes either. That's something to consider. It's very versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 @ Artex: I'd go with a second pred since you have a lot of assault squads. Vindis are great, but have one of your own shells scatter and land on your noggin is not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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