quick gernade question

[Master_Matteo]

so i was in a grey knight vs grey knight battle the other day. is it true the psykout gernades reduce the int for the entire squad receving the charge because of the brotherhood of psykers?

[Grey Mage]

"The unit counts as a single psyker and follows all the normal rules for psykers"

 

Since it counts thusly even when the justicar is dead Id have to say yes, the whole unit becomes I 1. Getting the assault is very paramount in GK vs. GK games.

[skarn]

On a similar vein, does the counter charge ability let you use grenades?

[Grey Mage]

No. They FAQ'd counter-attack to only give you the +1 A bonus, no other bonuses... including grenades, furious charge, beserk charge, etc.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Yeah, if you wanna ninja psykers/daemons, you'll need to charge. Good news is, Purifiers and Terminators can take I6 halberds anyway.

[Barakiel]

Related question i think: If a unit with counterattack is attacked by a unit with defensive grenades, did they get +1 A (since they count as having attacked) through counterattack or is this bonus canceled by the effect of the defensive grenades from the real attacking unit?

 

Sounds complicated, i hope my point is clear... ;)

[nurglez]

pretty sure they will get their counter attacks, as you cant gain defensive grenades while you are charging (check out the space wolf faq).

[Liberame]

Yes, according to the SW FAQ you can not use defensive grenades on the charge. So you would still get the +1 attack from counter attack. Having halberds and receiving the charge still isn't favorable. They Psyk-out grenades reduce you to Initiative 1 and then the Halberds raise you back up to 3. The standard Grey Knight is still going to go before you unless he has a Daemon Hammer.