henrywalker Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 so this is just how i am painting the silver, i won't bother mentioning anything else. i just experimented with a few different bases ranging from black through blues to white. i really liked the idea of the blued steel that people have been getting by washing silver with blue. this might sound odd or it might be that people are all doing it and i just haven't realized but still. this actually looks like the armour is unpainted polished metal as the fluff says it is. i often think that GKs look like they have painted their armour silver. so, first i undercoat with thinned astronomican grey, i had to be very sure to wash the kits well as thinning it made the paint not want to stick. this had to be a very thin layer especially in all text. now the clever bit, mix up 1 part water, 5 parts mithril silver and 1 part hawk turquoise. make sure its not too blue. you should look at it and think its silver with something wrong with it, rather than metallic blue again a very thin layer of this over the model but not on the text or any other non-silver bits of course, also not on the gun which i paint bolt gun metal, giving a big contrast. now mix 1:1:1 water, asrumen blue, badab black and wash the model lightly, concentrating on focal points like the helmet that gives in my opinion a very nice effect. i'd suggest that you try it on a test mini first. anyway, any comments? people seem to keep thinking that the photos are of finished models so please read this first the model is not painted, i have put a few of the base colors on certain parts but i still have a vast amount to do. It is no where near a finished model he has had the watered down wash i mentioned earlier and is due a more specific and more concentrated black+blue wash in appropriate areas. also the joints (ie soft armor) will of course not stay silver as they are not metal, they will be painted, shaded etc in due course i am an experienced painter and this is my 7th large army that i am currently starting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Pictures? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2726270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 well i keep trying, it comes out very pal so the camera won't pick it up. give me a few minutes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2726275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 ok so here are the best photos i could manage. it's actually a really weird finish/colour. a camera CANNOT pick it up right, and it changes depending on the background etc. so the model i have just done gold and red base coating on looks very different from the others. i'm worried that the photos look bluer than the effect really is but here they are Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2726281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Looks almost green because of the turquoise....a little too green IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2726288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 Looks almost green because of the turquoise....a little too green IMO. yeah i'm annoyed, its the camera, they really don't look green in real life. maybe try it on a spare bit of sprue or something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2726289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Dubbed Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 I can't say I'd paint my GKs like this as I really like the effect of the simple "silver paint with blue wash" BUT... I can totally see that paint scheme making an excellent base for some ethereal looking ghost knights! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2726935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 i agree that the pictures do look like ghost knights, they look like they've been drowned in the sea what with the green tinge. again though it i the camera. My firend tells me that the silver will have been lost by the flash of the camera making the non silver color come out a lot more. as they are in real life you can barely notice the color. alo the one in the photo have not had the wah which darkens them down a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Invictus Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I'm not sure what type of camera you have but a couple tips to try: Use the flash. it helps when using indoor lights. Greens are usually indicative that you took the t=shots under a fluorescent light. If it's nice out, take the pics under sunlight. While this tends to be more orangish in tint, it's generally favorable to greens or blues. That's it really. I'd try those. It looks promising, and I'm curious how it's tinted in real life versus the camera picking up tints from bulbs. (Sidenote, flashes usually have a wee bit of a blue tint) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 ok these photos seem a lot better, this guy is no where near finished, i'm only really putting him up to showcase the silver. cheers i jut want to point out that yes it is the same model as the original photos but i honestly haven't done anything to the silver at all, i just got a photographer friend to help me out with photos. looks really different Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Still looks flat and lackluster, its neither metallic nor NMM :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 oh well, i'm giving up trying to take a good photo of it. as you can see the first photos let you see it is metallic and very shiny while the second photos let you see the color better. i can tell you that in real life it is very shiny and at table top distances looks much more like i would imagine polished unpainted armor to look like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 OK, first of all, congrats! Lots of player, unfortunately, don't even paint their plastic dudes. Now, a few tips. First, I like your metallic, which comes out as slightly blueish, but not OTT. But use a wash. A wash will help define nice features of the models like the joints. On your termies, the joints are the same silver metal as the armors plates. A brown/sepia wash of you gold part will make the words pop out more. Also, take your time. GKs are great to paint because the low model counts allows you to catch every glorious details. For example, their's a purity seal on the right paldron that's not painted. The gold beneath the halberd's blade is still grey in places and the red on the halberd's handle lets the black show through. Overall, you put effort in the model, which is great, but you might have rushed it a bit (I guess you where eager to show us your paint scheme!). There are a few books or DVDs I might suggest if you want, they helped me tremendously! Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Still looks flat and lackluster, its neither metallic nor NMM :tu: That's as it should be, IMO. The OP said that he was attempting to capture the "raw, unpainted metal" look that the armor is supposed to have from the fluff, and I think this does it nicely. Good job on these! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Still looks flat and lackluster, its neither metallic nor NMM :tu: That's as it should be, IMO. The OP said that he was attempting to capture the "raw, unpainted metal" look that the armor is supposed to have from the fluff, and I think this does it nicely. Good job on these! I'd imagine to truly pull off "raw unpainted metal", in this case presumably silver, it would actually require sky-earth NMM to pull off. Certainly the GKs don't walk around in stainless steel - even that is shinier. That said I think its not *too* horrible but the fact is, you need more contrast on the table, otherwise your army looks unpainted (save sprayed silver) from several feet away, which is where your army is usually viewed at (i.e. on the gaming table) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 OK, first of all, congrats! Lots of player, unfortunately, don't even paint their plastic dudes. Now, a few tips. First, I like your metallic, which comes out as slightly blueish, but not OTT. But use a wash. A wash will help define nice features of the models like the joints. On your termies, the joints are the same silver metal as the armors plates. A brown/sepia wash of you gold part will make the words pop out more. Also, take your time. GKs are great to paint because the low model counts allows you to catch every glorious details. For example, their's a purity seal on the right paldron that's not painted. The gold beneath the halberd's blade is still grey in places and the red on the halberd's handle lets the black show through. Overall, you put effort in the model, which is great, but you might have rushed it a bit (I guess you where eager to show us your paint scheme!). There are a few books or DVDs I might suggest if you want, they helped me tremendously! Phil thanks phil, the not OTT blue was the aim. but i have to point out again that it is not painted, i have put a few of the base colors on certain parts but i still have a vast amount to do. It is no where near a finished model he has had the watered down wash i mentioned earlier and is due a more specific and more concentrated black+blue wash in appropriate areas. also the joints (ie soft armor) will of course not stay silver as they are not metal, they will be painted, shaded etc in due course i am an experienced painter and this is my 7th large army that i am currently starting. thanks for the feedback on the metal though, cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 Still looks flat and lackluster, its neither metallic nor NMM :P That's as it should be, IMO. The OP said that he was attempting to capture the "raw, unpainted metal" look that the armor is supposed to have from the fluff, and I think this does it nicely. Good job on these! I'd imagine to truly pull off "raw unpainted metal", in this case presumably silver, it would actually require sky-earth NMM to pull off. Certainly the GKs don't walk around in stainless steel - even that is shinier. That said I think its not *too* horrible but the fact is, you need more contrast on the table, otherwise your army looks unpainted (save sprayed silver) from several feet away, which is where your army is usually viewed at (i.e. on the gaming table) or this stuff which i would love to try and use. http://www.alclad2.com/finishes/highshine.html problem is that it is notoriously difficult to apply and you would lose all detail. also i reckon the shape would be harder to see what with all the shine. I'd love to take one of the old metal models ad try to get it chromed. guessing it would fail though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2727528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 A decent paint job, as previously mentioned put a wash in the receases to make it pop. Also on future models make sure to get the mold lines on the weapons and drill out the weapon barrels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2728325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 A decent paint job, as previously mentioned put a wash in the receases to make it pop. Also on future models make sure to get the mold lines on the weapons and drill out the weapon barrels. AGAIN!!! "i have to point out again that it is not painted, i have put a few of the base colors on certain parts but i still have a vast amount to do. It is no where near a finished model he has had the watered down wash i mentioned earlier and is due a more specific and more concentrated black+blue wash in appropriate areas. also the joints (ie soft armor) will of course not stay silver as they are not metal, they will be painted, shaded etc in due course i am an experienced painter and this is my 7th large army that i am currently starting." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2728742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 A decent paint job, as previously mentioned put a wash in the receases to make it pop. Also on future models make sure to get the mold lines on the weapons and drill out the weapon barrels. AGAIN!!! "i have to point out again that it is not painted, i have put a few of the base colors on certain parts but i still have a vast amount to do. It is no where near a finished model he has had the watered down wash i mentioned earlier and is due a more specific and more concentrated black+blue wash in appropriate areas. also the joints (ie soft armor) will of course not stay silver as they are not metal, they will be painted, shaded etc in due course i am an experienced painter and this is my 7th large army that i am currently starting." Ok Mr. experienced painter....you ask for comments in your first post but when you get comments you get all defensive. Either ask for comments or don't. Also if you are an experienced painter what is up with all the F'n mold lines??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2728751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 A decent paint job, as previously mentioned put a wash in the receases to make it pop. Also on future models make sure to get the mold lines on the weapons and drill out the weapon barrels. AGAIN!!! "i have to point out again that it is not painted, i have put a few of the base colors on certain parts but i still have a vast amount to do. It is no where near a finished model he has had the watered down wash i mentioned earlier and is due a more specific and more concentrated black+blue wash in appropriate areas. also the joints (ie soft armor) will of course not stay silver as they are not metal, they will be painted, shaded etc in due course i am an experienced painter and this is my 7th large army that i am currently starting." Ok Mr. experienced painter....you ask for comments in your first post but when you get comments you get all defensive. Either ask for comments or don't. Also if you are an experienced painter what is up with all the F'n mold lines??? i'm asking comments on the method of painting the silver that i have used. that is all. that i why the first photos are only silver. i happen to have tarted base coating other parts of the model in the econd phtos. most of the people replying don't seem to get this point which is stated over and over again. i am not being overly defensive, it is irritating to be lectured about stuff that i have known and practised for years based on incomplete work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2728815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 A decent paint job, as previously mentioned put a wash in the receases to make it pop. Also on future models make sure to get the mold lines on the weapons and drill out the weapon barrels. AGAIN!!! "i have to point out again that it is not painted, i have put a few of the base colors on certain parts but i still have a vast amount to do. It is no where near a finished model he has had the watered down wash i mentioned earlier and is due a more specific and more concentrated black+blue wash in appropriate areas. also the joints (ie soft armor) will of course not stay silver as they are not metal, they will be painted, shaded etc in due course i am an experienced painter and this is my 7th large army that i am currently starting." Ok Mr. experienced painter....you ask for comments in your first post but when you get comments you get all defensive. Either ask for comments or don't. Also if you are an experienced painter what is up with all the F'n mold lines??? You started it. When your comments start with "[Give it] a decent paint job", that's getting hostile right off the bat (by implying that the paint job is really awful). Don't be surprised when people respond defensively to a slam like that. And he did say that the model is far from finished, and that he's simply testing out his method for silver. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2728828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 A decent paint job, as previously mentioned put a wash in the receases to make it pop. Also on future models make sure to get the mold lines on the weapons and drill out the weapon barrels. AGAIN!!! "i have to point out again that it is not painted, i have put a few of the base colors on certain parts but i still have a vast amount to do. It is no where near a finished model he has had the watered down wash i mentioned earlier and is due a more specific and more concentrated black+blue wash in appropriate areas. also the joints (ie soft armor) will of course not stay silver as they are not metal, they will be painted, shaded etc in due course i am an experienced painter and this is my 7th large army that i am currently starting." Ok Mr. experienced painter....you ask for comments in your first post but when you get comments you get all defensive. Either ask for comments or don't. Also if you are an experienced painter what is up with all the F'n mold lines??? You started it. When your comments start with "[Give it] a decent paint job", that's getting hostile right off the bat (by implying that the paint job is really awful). Don't be surprised when people respond defensively to a slam like that. And he did say that the model is far from finished, and that he's simply testing out his method for silver. I see nothing in dublin's post that even hinted the paint job was poor - all I see is a compliment followed up by some ideas on how to make it better. Very simply, its difficult to show "just the silver" without getting people to comment on its lack of definition, because without the shading your silver is not done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227561-my-new-grey-knight-painting-method/#findComment-2729525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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