Arioch Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Maybe the Lion went back to Caliban to collect his Legion to full strength so he could challenge Guilliman's claim to the throne! Maybe thats one of the reasons why he split them in the first place, so he'd have a nice reserve unscathed by the heresy. Conspiracies HOOOOOO!!!! Unlikely, but a funny theory none the less :P One thing I dont quite get is Curze´s massive advantage, when he throws himself at the Lion. Sure, techniques dont do you much help there, but I dont think the Lion is "weaker" than Curze- he should have been able to free himself. On the other hand I think the Lions advantage in weapons was a little to high- sure the Lion has exellent techniques here, but Curze would have his own unique style I guess? I rationalize it as Curze being a badarse Primarch, AND having Chaos Gifts on top of that. Lion is "just" a Primarch in comparison. Well yes, but I dont believe Curze was enhanched by chaos in any way. He sure had changed after his having switched sides to Horus, but he never recieved any boost or deamonhood as far as I remember. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227612-age-of-darkness-savage-weapons/page/4/#findComment-2840994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Not everything has been written/described. Perhaps we'll learn more in the HH series, but even the traitor Primarchs that have been described, and which we know would obviously have gifts of some kind(i.e. the traitor Primarchs who follow the various Chaos Cults), never have their gifts described so far as I recall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227612-age-of-darkness-savage-weapons/page/4/#findComment-2841123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Well yes, but I dont believe Curze was enhanched by chaos in any way. He sure had changed after his having switched sides to Horus, but he never recieved any boost or deamonhood as far as I remember. This. Curze fought the Lion based on his Primarch abilities alone. And there is no need for "rationalizining" it. A fight between two Primarchs can go either way. Each has an area or expertise and if the fight turns his way he'll have the advantage. I'm just dissapoined that the author chose to give this advantage to Curze rather than the Lion. This is the author's call. In fact if it was the Lion that was about to strike a killing blow to Curze but he was saved the last minute by one of his guys (say Sevatar with the red gauntlets an'all) it would have exactly the same impact on the story (i.e. a forced draw) but the Lion would have saved face. The author chose otherwise. Not the end of the world but I think BL has so far not treated the Lion well (see the ending of the "Fallen Angels"). This only creates expectations to correct this in the future. Suffice to say I'm looking forward for the Lion's next appereance. I think (hope) he'll be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227612-age-of-darkness-savage-weapons/page/4/#findComment-2841155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Aaron Dembski-Bowden posted earlier in this thread and I think by his response he, as do I, would more or less agree with you regarding a fight "between equals; it ebbs and flows, with the advantage exchanging between each participant." (his words) And I understand your feeling of disappoint that the Lion had lost the advantage by the end of the fight, we are after all Dark Angels fans. Though we shouldn't forget that he outclassed Curze in every way prior to the dirty brawl it devolved into. I must disagree however that the impact would be exactly the same had the tables been turned. An important fact is a "mere" Space Marine struck a wound to a Primarch. A fight between equals is one thing, but a regular Marine scoring a critical wound to a demi-god is quite another in my opinion. The Lion may have been on the loosing side at that particular moment and the fight itself deemed a draw for all intents and purposes, but on a deeper level I see that fight as DA moral victory at the very least. Of course that could just be me. I'll also have to agree with Shabbadoo, we have no supporting evidence that the traitor Primarchs were or were not already being gifted by the Chaos gods. Certainly Curze would be a prime candidate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227612-age-of-darkness-savage-weapons/page/4/#findComment-2846492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I agree, I believe it showed the Lion well, much better than descent of angels. I really felt in this book that my Primarch was worth following. He dominated Curze in the first bit until Curze did what he did best and jumped at him to deliver Nostramo-style combat. And the paladin? Pure class, sticking the sword in his spine. THAT was epic, much better than anything the NL would/could actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227612-age-of-darkness-savage-weapons/page/4/#findComment-2846741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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