VAGABOND Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I've recently bought a Valkyrie off a friend, so I'm currently working on my 2nd Stormraven. All I need now is a Land Speeder and some black spray :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2729386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I love the fluff of the Death Company, marines beyond sanities recall, the Stormraven fits my idea of a Death Company assault vehicle, no other army has Death Company and almost no other army has the Stormraven. You can debate win or lose it makes no difference to me. A storm raven packed with Death Company Lemartes and a Death Company Dreadnought is Blood Angels. Yeah man, that's exactly what I think too and why I bought a SR, for my DC! Why is there such negativity towards the SR, if you have a solid plan to take out or atleast tie up the major threats to it then the SR will just cruise up and drop off IMO I mean it's not like I'm gonna try and send it up the field with loads of threats pointed at it.. Deep striking melta honour guard, multi melta attack bikes, Baal predators and vindicators all are gonna have something to say about you shooting at my new bird as well as las/plas RB's and the fact the SR itself is pretty well armed too, I have a feeling that with this much to deal with when it's all working in synergy that the SR will get to where it's going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2729476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
billga Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 For magnetizing get REMs and any size will do (i use two 1/16" magnets per wing). Most hobby stores sell them, they run about $6 USD for 20-25 around here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2729814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 So, one SR or two? I'm thinking 2 just for target saturation - they can flame everything at just one on it's tod, but two of them..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2729853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 One can work, but two is obviously going to be harder to deal with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2729938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 You can use one perfectly fine as long as you have a plan for it's survival but if you have two you can be alot more experimental and how to make them survive IMO, I am planning on running two at 2500 points but only one at 2000 but I would like to try and run two at 2000 but it would have to have an assault squad in the second instead of my dual hammer list for 2500 (one DC and the other cc terminators, both with dreads) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemoki Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Personally..like I said before, I'm scared of using them because of only AV12, no scout for cover saves etc. However the benefits just may outweigh the negatives. Only lots of testing will smooth this out for me. Here we go! Testing ahoy! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 I'm torn between 2 Ravens or a Raven and a Baal or 2 just to soften infantry up and reduce return fire before I hit them with the SR..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Personally..like I said before, I'm scared of using them because of only AV12, no scout for cover saves etc. However the benefits just may outweigh the negatives. Only lots of testing will smooth this out for me. Here we go! Testing ahoy! :) My advice is that if you don't get the first turn, reserve your Raven. You can bet every gun in the enemy lineup will try to shoot it down otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundog8324 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Personally..like I said before, I'm scared of using them because of only AV12, no scout for cover saves etc. However the benefits just may outweigh the negatives. Only lots of testing will smooth this out for me. Here we go! Testing ahoy! :cuss Get a buddy to let you play DE for a game, you will never think of AV12 as fragile again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Tau with railguns are also really bad news for Stormravens but on the other hand who plays fisheads anymore? :) At 2500 points I think two Stormravens would work well and I'd fill one up with assault terminators... Both would have dreadnaughts naturally. At 2000 points I run just one. Any lower on the points level and I run pure jump infantry. G :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Personally..like I said before, I'm scared of using them because of only AV12, no scout for cover saves etc. However the benefits just may outweigh the negatives. Only lots of testing will smooth this out for me. Here we go! Testing ahoy! :P My advice is that if you don't get the first turn, reserve your Raven. You can bet every gun in the enemy lineup will try to shoot it down otherwise. Absolutely and what happened while you waited in reserve ? the stuff you wanted to close with using the Stormraven just got closer, anyone who is not comfortable with things getting closer for combat needs to ask the question what do Blood Angels do again? Even having the SR in reserve will make your opponent think twice on deployment, can you afford to have as many points in reserve? ask this question, can your opponent ignore so many points of airborne hell circling the table? if it dictates his game style and deployment its already taken the initiative from him. Think about that. I just get this thought of a bunch of BA in the close confines of a Storm raven punching through atmosphere looking up at the drop light, red ... amber.... green ! Death Company, here we go. Seriously all fluff aside if you can't make a Stormraven work for your win you need to work more on gameplay enjoy that or just do what I intend and have fun with it :geek: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Personally..like I said before, I'm scared of using them because of only AV12, no scout for cover saves etc. However the benefits just may outweigh the negatives. Only lots of testing will smooth this out for me. Here we go! Testing ahoy! :) My advice is that if you don't get the first turn, reserve your Raven. You can bet every gun in the enemy lineup will try to shoot it down otherwise. Absolutely and what happened while you waited in reserve ? the stuff you wanted to close with using the Stormraven just got closer, anyone who is not comfortable with things getting closer for combat needs to ask the question what do Blood Angels do again? Even having the SR in reserve will make your opponent think twice on deployment, can you afford to have as many points in reserve? ask this question, can your opponent ignore so many points of airborne hell circling the table? if it dictates his game style and deployment its already taken the initiative from him. Think about that. I just get this thought of a bunch of BA in the close confines of a Storm raven punching through atmosphere looking up at the drop light, red ... amber.... green ! Death Company, here we go. Seriously all fluff aside if you can't make a Stormraven work for your win you need to work more on gameplay enjoy that or just do what I intend and have fun with it :) Very inspirational post, I love it when people dish out some stormraven and in fact all round BA wisdom. I fully intend to use a stormraven (for starters I just got one on Monday) and making it work, it's an amazing piece of kit that we have that we should embrace, not shun! We will only complain if they add the SR to vanilla marines codex so I say even if that happens, atleast we will be pros in SR deployment while everyone else is painting there's up. Saying that though, I really hope no more armies get the SR, it's one of my favourite things in our dex! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 used one a while ago. theyre allright, but you got to keep them alive somehow :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2730956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 Tau with railguns are also really bad news for Stormravens To be fair, Railguns are bad news for damn near anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2731206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Tau with railguns are also really bad news for Stormravens To be fair, Railguns are bad news for damn near anything. WORD!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2731360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik84 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 my list has 2 ravens its, its a simple list captain with pair of l/claws hq chaplin full tactical in a drop pod, miss/melta full tactical in drop pod, plasma cannon/melta full assault squad, melta full assault squad, melta dread with blood talons dread with blood talons 2 priests 2 ravens with melts and las, beacon the idear is my hq and priest lead the assault units in the ravens backed up with the dreads, turn 2 i drop the tacs in support or get them to land on the objectives Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2731439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 my list has 2 ravens its, its a simple list captain with pair of l/claws hq chaplin full tactical in a drop pod, miss/melta full tactical in drop pod, plasma cannon/melta full assault squad, melta full assault squad, melta dread with blood talons dread with blood talons 2 priests 2 ravens with melts and las, beacon the idear is my hq and priest lead the assault units in the ravens backed up with the dreads, turn 2 i drop the tacs in support or get them to land on the objectives So have you used this list much, how do you usually deploy your ravens, how do you stop them from getting shot down and do they survive often? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2731458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik84 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 played once against a dark eldar army that was dark lance heavy, had to model rep the ravens, but worked rather nice, i deployed them on the board at the start for that change to get the charge, lost the first one in turn 3, it taken 3 lance shots to kill it, but at that point my captain and assault squad were killing space elves with there dread in support. i like them, it brings a whole new way to play marines, and as a play who enjoys fluff based armys i love it, i cant wait for my space wolves to be able to use them, i'll pick up 2 more if that happens 10/10 for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2731953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwulf Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I've been using a kind of all-around list: Seth 2x Sanguinary Priests Furisio Dread w/ Frag Cannon, Heavy Flamer Tac Squad x10, ML, Flamer, Sgt. w/P-weapon, Rhino Tac Squad x10, ML, Meltagun, Sgt. w/P-fist Death Company x10, Plasma Pistol, T-Hammer, P-Fist DC Dread, Blood Talons, Hvy Flamer Baal Pred w/AC, HB Sponons Ball Pred w/Flamestorm, Hvy Flamer Sponsons Storm Raven, Hurricane Bolter Sponsons Storm Raven, Hurrican Bolter Sponsons I'm playing in a league right now, with lots of different missions and mostly power armor armies. So far, the Storm Ravens and the DC have been the stars of my list. The Storm Ravens, playing gunship/transport have been excellent! One usually dies early in the game (The Death Company one), but after that, as my opponents have to deal more and more with the rest of my list, I have found the other Storm Raven will last well into the endgame. I don't really like to give them much in the way of upgrades, as they are pretty pricey as is. I also like to keep the TL Heavy Bolter over the Meltagun, simply because if I am tank hunting, I have Bloodstrike Missles and the Assault Cannon, and the extra range and shots from the HB helps against hordes. My experience so far has shown that the best way to field Storm Ravens are in pairs, don't get fancy (KISS- Keep It Simple Stupid), and remember they can transport a lot of guys! Also, have something else on the board to threaten your opponent and take away some of the firepower directed at them. For this, I like to use my Scouting, Fast Baal Preds and shove them down my opponents throat so he will have to deal with them or suffer the consequences. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2732143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusTerminautus Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Magnetising my SR's wings, anyone? I didn't magnetize mine, the stormraven fits nicely in its own box. As for my Stormraven. I started with Blood Angels but I like Flesh Tearers more. (easier to paint and more brutal) I run a SR with EA, TLAC, Typhoon missle launcher and a locater beacon. Inside I run Seth, 10 assault marines with 2 meltas, a PP, and Corbulo. On the back i have a talon and MG furioso. Seth has yet to die since I got him (17 games) and has always made his points back or better. Pretty much the assault marines are 10 extra wounds of shooting and 2 extra meltas. With Corbs they get harder to kill, and Corbulo himself has got the kill on a lot of units/MCs after seth killed most of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2734939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 One issue with that tactic; even at basic cost with no upgrades, you're sinking 625 points into one group which can be destroyed and stranded with a lucky shot from anything of strength six or higher. Drop pods and rhinos are better transport options, and armour 12 is too light to use it purely as a gun ship. I fully intend to paint up and use a storm raven at some point, but it's quite low on the old list of priorities. That's why you keep it in reserve and fly it in from the table edge. Use flatout to get the 3+ cover save and you still get to fire one of the guns with Machine Spirit. Drop Pods and Rhinos are definitely not better IMO. I got tired of Deep Striking a Pod with a Dreadnaught and talons only to watch it get blown up the following turn. Being an Assault vehicle makes a huge difference. Don't knock it till you try it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2735176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengefulotori Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Ok so... in the mindset of painting a bullseye on a stormraven, what if I were to put 10 deathcompany, a chaplain and mephiston ... then put a DC dreadnought with talons and MG on just for good measure...? I Just ordered my first storm raven and my Mephiston model and they haven't gotten here yet but I am putting lists together and so far I've got this: Mephiston Chaplain Death company (10x) 3xPW 1xPF 1xTH Death Company Dreadnought with talons and grapple Storm Raven with hurricane bolters, TLMM, TLPC Dante Assault squad (10x) with 2 meltaguns, infernus pistol, metla bomb Tactical squad (10x) missile launcher and melta bomb Land Raider Predator destructor AC, hvy bolter sponsons and storm bolter 2000 points ... :/ the idea is to deploy the land raider and predator only and have them soften up anything that poses a threat to the raven. Also letting everything get closer ( hopefully ) so I can deliver the knockout punch as I like to call it >_>. Dante's squad should be able to pop in and eliminate armor. Anyway, thoughts/opinions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2742470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Mephiston can't join another squad. So you can't put him in the Stormraven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2742535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengefulotori Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Well... does that matter since it's not a dedicated transport? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227706-storm-ravens/page/2/#findComment-2742575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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