Brother Rathul Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 We always talk about how the primarchs or certain characters (Loken, Abaddon, Lucius) from books would fare against each other in a fight. So my idea is, why not put the 1st company captains in a match up or their companies in general in a one on one brawl. For instance Sigsmund vs. Abaddon or, Imperial Fists's First company versus Emperor's Children First company To start off, we'll do Luna Wolves 1st company vs. Blood Angels 1st company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Sigismund or Abaddon would win this hands down.. Only fighting one another would provide a challenge for the pair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2728926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Sigismund or Abaddon would win this hands down.. Only fighting one another would provide a challenge for the pair. This. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2728931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Alpha Legion. Every time. They'd either manipulate someone else to fight for them and make sure the enemy never knew they were there. Or they'd just do the smart thing and bomb the enemy first company from orbit. EDIT: Yes, this is a joke. We simply don't have enough info to know how well any first company in the Heresy era would do in fighting another one so i'm just going to say the one who would be smart enough to just bomb them from orbit would always win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2728937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Or they'd just do the smart thing and bomb the enemy first company from orbit. EDIT: Yes, this is a joke. We simply don't have enough info to know how well any first company in the Heresy era would do in fighting another one so i'm just going to say the one who would be smart enough to just bomb them from orbit would always win. There is no glory or fun in this. You think that the first company of any of the legions would back down and "bomb" the enemy first company??? There is no sport in that! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2728950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Or they'd just do the smart thing and bomb the enemy first company from orbit. EDIT: Yes, this is a joke. We simply don't have enough info to know how well any first company in the Heresy era would do in fighting another one so i'm just going to say the one who would be smart enough to just bomb them from orbit would always win. There is no glory or fun in this. You think that the first company of any of the legions would back down and "bomb" the enemy first company??? There is no sport in that! :P He DID mention that they were Alpha Legion. But knowing them, they'd have had the other legion's own ships shoot them down after they launched. Might I add that the Space Wolves First Company Captain would also be difficult. And Ahriman was a dangerous psyker and fighter even back then. The Word Bearer's First Captain would probably try to put them to sleep first by starting a sermon, but since Astartes don't sleep, well... What would be interesting is to see how the Night Lords, Raven Guard, and Alpha Legion would handle each other... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2728977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 What would be interesting is to see how the Night Lords, Raven Guard, and Alpha Legion would handle each other... Well, it would probably be the case of the first two legions trying to simultaneously launch pre-emptive strikes against one another then with the Night Lords using airborne blitzkrieg tactics while the Raven Guard used guerilla tactics against them. Then the Alpha Legion hang back until they can manipulate the Space Wolves into turning up to fight for them while repeatedly sabotaging any advantage the other legions they were fighting might gain over the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2728995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I'd bet Vulkan's Firedrakes would be awful hard to shift off of anything they were willing to die to protect. Much more so than some other legions. And how about the furious nuclear bomb that would have to be Angron's first champion? Think he'd chop off a few skulls (for the skull throne, naturally)? Do these formations have to fight in a stand-up face-off or can they fight in their preferred fighting styles? I'd bet that the Wolves of Fenris would put a beatdown on the first company of the Khan, but put those same White Scars on bikes and it's a whole different story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2729302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustermaker Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Imperial Fists vs Iron Warriors..... Both would be glairing at eachother from their forts, daring the other to attack... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2729378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Might I add that the Space Wolves First Company Captain would also be difficult. There is no such thing as SW "First Company", or "captain" pup :huh: I'd bet that the Wolves of Fenris would put a beatdown on the first company of the Khan. There are no wolves on Fenris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2729494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 And why should the leader of the First Company be the best fighter of the Legion? Lucius of the Emperor's Children isn't the Captain of the First Company, but he is still one of the finest swordsmen in the Crusade/Heresy era Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2729511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Might I add that the Space Wolves First Company Captain would also be difficult. There is no such thing as SW "First Company", or "captain" pup :D Well excuse me for not remembering the specifics of the titles, it was the spirit of the position in question. But, I would think that the representative of the chapter built to spank Astartes would be one hell of a fight. I'd bet that the Wolves of Fenris would put a beatdown on the first company of the Khan. There are no wolves on Fenris. Maybe no wolves, but there are Wolves who come from Fenris and are the sons of Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2729996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 And yet no First Captains even compare to Abaddon or Sigismund( the latter becoming the first ever Emperors Champion and killed so many traitors and their 'hero's' during the Siege of Terra even Khorne got jealous of his tally). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberium40k Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Then the Alpha Legion hang back until they can manipulate the Space Wolves into turning up to fight for them while repeatedly sabotaging any advantage the other legions they were fighting might gain over the other. What makes you think they would succed? The fact the Alphas prefer a certain type of warfare does not necessarely mean it will bring them victory every single time nor does it mean they would be able to preform their preffered style of warfare perfectly in every instance. There are no wolves on Fenris. Except, of course, the wolves, ser. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Do these formations have to fight in a stand-up face-off or can they fight in their preferred fighting styles? I'd bet that the Wolves of Fenris would put a beatdown on the first company of the Khan, but put those same White Scars on bikes and it's a whole different story. We'll, I'd prefer face to face combat such as the artwork you see on the first couple of Horus Heresy Novels but yeah, they could use their preffered fighting styles if you want. Like this Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 To start off, we'll do Luna Wolves 1st company vs. Blood Angels 1st company Luna Wolves, hands down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 To start off, we'll do Luna Wolves 1st company vs. Blood Angels 1st company Luna Wolves, hands down. I personally think the Blood Angels in all their black rage goodness Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 You said Luna Wolves first company which means pre-heresy, so they would be led by Abaddon and the majority in Terminator armour. So that leads on to the Blood Angels being pre-heresy and so would not have the black rage, and would be "normal". :D But if you actually ment Luna Wolves plucked from pre-hersey fighting post-heresy Blood Angels - then i would still say Luna Wolves - cold focussed rage will generally always beat berzerker rage, and for the reasons stated above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 You said Luna Wolves first company which means pre-heresy, so they would be lead by Abaddon and the majority in Terminator armour. So that leads on to the Blood Angels being pre-heresy and so would not have the black rage, and would be "normal". :D But you actually ment Luna Wolves from pre-hersey fighting post heresy Blood Angels - then i would still say Luna Wolves - cold focussed rage will generally always beat berzerker rage, and for the reasons stated above. Ahhhh, but they'd get so mad they're loosing, they automatically turn black rage because those Luna Wolves are ruining there pretty Miss precious armor, negating the fact it's pre heresy :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Hahaha if you say so, although i doubt there would be many Blood Angels left to get mad. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 Hahaha if you say so, although i doubt there would be many Blood Angels left to get mad. :) Indeed, they'd have to get their special Land Raider engines to get them the heck outta their. :D Or, this could happen Hahahaha, just kidding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 And why should the leader of the First Company be the best fighter of the Legion? Lucius of the Emperor's Children isn't the Captain of the First Company, but he is still one of the finest swordsmen in the Crusade/Heresy era Imperium. Fighter, no. He is, however, normally the best strategist and leader in the legion, excluding the Primarch himself. Kor Phaeron is not included in this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Anaziel Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Hahaha if you say so, although i doubt there would be many Blood Angels left to get mad. :D Indeed, they'd have to get their special Land Raider engines to get them the heck outta their. :teehee: Or, this could happen Hahahaha, just kidding. LOL Indeed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidice Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I really believe that the Thousand Sons can beat any other legion in a equal number fight. There squads can boil blood, create shields, foresee future attacks, shoot flames, and flippin lightning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Abaddon and Sigismund would smack every other first captain out there. Then they'd arm wrestle for 10 years and eventually call it quits and buy a bottle of wine to drink over the bodies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/#findComment-2730512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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