Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I don't think we know much at all. They haven't really been covered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2735521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
koran Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Lols, no Im not a troll. I was just making the point that while Abbadon is amazing in a straight up fight he isnt a exactly a tactical genius. I dont know that Student of Dorn is correct but I was also under the impression that the 13 black crusades were all led by Abbadon while those led by others were were crusades of other names, not black crusades. Im happy to be proven wrong though if anyone can quote sources. Im always looking to learn more background fluff (I was going to make a Matt Ward comment here but then I will really be accused of being a troll). I agree that the most recent black crusade was partially successful but without taking Cadia fully then it is far from impressive. Im trying to think of a military comparison but cant without risking people taking offence. Also I believe the crusades to capture blackstone fortresses was also a failure as they were destroyed by imperial forces. Again you could claim this a success because he took them from Imperial hands but thats a pretty poor success. Edit: Typically as soon as I post I think of an example. You could say that Hannibal was successful, he crossed the Alps and killed huge numbers of Romans, especially at Cannae. In some ways is was a success. But he did not take Rome and eventually fled from Italy. However you look at it he did not succeed in what he stet out to do. Same with Abbadon. He had some wins but when it comes down to it he failed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2735538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Yes, he did lead the 13 big ones. And he achieved his goals on many of them: the Cadians gate is disrupted, according to the BFG rules, he's taken a bunch of active Blackstone Fortresses, he's gathered more and more people to his cause with every crusade, etc., etc. It's sort of a 'win the battle, lose war' thing, but reversed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2735551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Ah ok. I just wasnt sure because I havent read many HH novels. I just dont really understand why they just get written off all the time in versus topics. How can a group of Astartes that have basically mastered the art of being Jacks-Of-All-Trades get written off as bleh in a fight thread? So I just figured I would ask what is known but I guess there HH fluff isnt as plentiful as the 41st fluff. Any battle between any of these opponents would be one of epic proportions. I dont see anyone in here completely wrecking another force with minimal casualties. These are veterans amongst veterans. Every force is going to have absolute combat legends no matter what Legion they are from. And in the Legion days you had to stand out even more so than in the 41st fluff to be in the 1st Company because there were more Marines to chose from. Just my thoughts. Captain Lacerus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2735555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Additionally with Abbaddon, he is effectively immortal, being an Astartes, and has unparalleled combat skill. Plus, his millenia of experience leading and directing in war. On top of that, time is really not a big deal in the warp, compared to real space. Who says Abby needs to go all in and win it all in one big push? He's actually fighting like his original namesake, the Luna Wolf. Nipping at the edges of the herd, slowly gaining advantages and gathering strength. He will bleed his target dry before crushing the consolidated remnants. The biggest mistake in thinking about him is considering his crusades in mortal, human terms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2735577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 One additional facet to consider: The Chaos Gods are not known for their leniency, and he his marked by all 4 at the same time. If Abbaddon truly ever failed, he would have been a Spawn LONG before now. Since he isn't a Spawn, he has obviously completely the main goals of every Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2736415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James S Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Greetings all! Been lurking the forums for a long time, but I had to make a reply. I vote for Forrix. It took over 10k years and a Titan to kill him. He was most definitely Iron Within. Good thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2736494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 But was he a leader, rather than a warrior? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2736787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazguire Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I'd say that he was as much a leader as is possible for the no nonsense and dour Iron Warriors. Being a Legion that prized cold, logical, analytical thought, efficiency and ruthlessness over pretty much anything else, Forrix pretty much encompassed the Iron Warrior ideals. And to rise to the occasion of being promoted to First Captain or whatever he was during the Crusade, I'd daresay that these qualities show he is a leader of the Iron Warriors. Whilst obviously, when compared to more charismatic Legions like the Emperor's Children or Space Wolves, I'd doubt these qualities would be held in such esteem as they would in the Iron Warriors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227802-1st-company-beatdown/page/3/#findComment-2737039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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