Dreadnaught Inquisitor?

[heretic??ME??]

Ok so we the heroes of marine chapters interned in dreads and now marine librarians.....

 

So is it possible for a strong willed and connected =][= to get a ride in the big body armour of them all??

[Chengar Qordath]

I'm pretty sure Dreadnoughts have always been Marine-only, and wouldn't work with normal squishy little humans.

[heretic??ME??]

there is the squishy aspect. however Black carapace for power armour gets you the plug in options. TDA armour as well. Is it a big jump to Dread??

[henrywalker]

good idea though. i love the idea of shoving different things into dreads.

 

the chaplain dread from forge world is nice. i like the idea of the librarian, i have a sanguinary guard dread with wings.

 

inquisitors a nice idea but i doubt they would. maybe the throne of judgement one might end up being interred in a sarcophogas in the throne.

 

oh well

[heretic??ME??]

Especially with the whole dread being lost tech coming in. But..... an old drugged up gene therapy =][= still determined to fight on... kicking around in his own pimped 800 year old custom dread. ====> GOLD BABY lots of gold and eagles and a big =][= symbol.

 

 

Yeah more likely to go the way of Mechanicus Techno Magi

[Eddie Orlock]

In the days of yore a score of years ago, sure. In our modern, codified era, not so much.

 

Just put power armour on his power armour in imitation of the Dreadknight. Your 'DreadInquisitor' would probably be about the same size as Karmazov and could purloin his rules.

[henrywalker]

oohh dreadnaught tech marine, with a big ass servo harness.

 

sorry, i know thats off topic.

[Legio Draconis]

In the Inquisition war trilogy they put an assassin in a dreadnaught so an inquisitor would not be that much of a stretch.

[Angelis Mortis]

While fluff wise, I think its absolutely possible, I think for practical reasons it would never happen. Inquisitorial duties require diplomacy and at time discretion, which would be hard to accomplish in a giant robot sarcophagus.

[Iron Father Rik]

Inquisitors come in all shapes and sizes - big and small, radical and puritan, tough and weak, crippled and fighting fit. They are not all big muscly men running into the thick of battle like Inquisitor Coteaz or Eisenhorn. Some are crippled little things kept alive by artificial means, like Ravenor or the one in the Faith and Fire novel. Ravenor is a prime example because of his throne chair.

 

Inquisitors also have all sorts of tools at their disposal, and some will stay as pure a human as possible, others will augment themselves with mechanical, gene enhancement, or other, more exotic techniques. I personally don't like the idea that an inquisitor could be an astartes, but I accept that they can wear power armour because we know from the Sisters of Battle that unaugmented humans can wear a smaller version of astartes power armour. I do not like the concept of inquisitors in terminator armour, because until I am shown fluff to the contrary, as far as I am concerned terminator armour is something only astartes have and can wear. However, dreadnoughts are a different matter. A dreadnought is basically a life sustaining sarcophagus, not unlike Inquisitor Ravenor's life support chair, that has weapons attached to it, similar (loosely) to Inquisitor Karamazov's Throne of Judgement. I can see this being entirely possible for an Inquisitor to acquire or commission, and so yes, I'd say it's perfectly possible for an Inquisitor to be, for all intents and purposes, a "dreadnought". I do not mean that he would be an astartes by that however, but he could very easily have something very much the same as a dreadnought.

 

Let's not forget that the Inquisition is quite probably the place in the Warhammer 40000 universe that has the most scope for doing whatever the hell you want. Inquisitors have almost total power in the Imperium to do whatever they want, acquire through whichever means they choose, anything they want or need, and go wherever they want to go. The scope for what an inquisitor can be, do, have and associate with is practically limitless!

 

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While fluff wise, I think its absolutely possible, I think for practical reasons it would never happen. Inquisitorial duties require diplomacy and at time discretion, which would be hard to accomplish in a giant robot sarcophagus.

 

I respectfully, entirely disagree. Not all inquisitors follow a soft touch, diplomatic approach. Many follow the "exterminatus first, don't bother asking questions later" approach. If you read Inquisitor Lord Karamazov's fluff (in the Grey Knight and Witchhunter codex) you will see what I mean.

[BrotherWasted]

Adeptus Custodes have access to Terminator Armor. Terminator Inquisitor models have also been released in the past.

[AlexHolker]

I'd say no. Like Qordath said, a human is a lot more squishy than a Space Marine. This could easily mean that an Inquisitor will never reach the "Put him in a Dreadnought" stage - he's either fixable with nothing but bionics and surgery, or he's already dead.

[Iron Father Rik]

Adeptus Custodes have access to Terminator Armor. It is also a known fact via illustrations in previous editions that Ordo Malleus Inquisitors have been known to requisition Terminator Armor also. Terminator Inquisitor models have also been released in the past.

 

Yeah, I am aware of this. I just don't much like it personally. I've never heard a description of terminator armour itself to be able to be worn by a standard human. Many descriptions I have read of human-scale power armour, apart from the Sisters of Battle, have it as very bulky on a normal human. I just can't personally see the practical side of human-scale terminator armour working, and it's meant to be extrememly rare anyway. Just my opinion though.

 

I'd say no. Like Qordath said, a human is a lot more squishy than a Space Marine. This could easily mean that an Inquisitor will never reach the "Put him in a Dreadnought" stage - he's either fixable with nothing but bionics and surgery, or he's already dead.

 

I refer you to Inquisitor Ravenor. He is exactly the kind of situation that couldn't be repaired with "nothing but bionics and surgery" yet he still lived on and had a very significant, and lengthy, career in the Inquisition.

[Adam_R]

Possible? Yes. Plausible? No.

 

An Inquisitor is a person meant to seek out and find hidden secrets. This generally takes subtlety, tact, diplomacy, stealth and subterfuge. A SM dreadnought does not embody these qualities in the slightest.

 

There are of course examples of Inquisitors who do not take this subtle tact, but I would argue they are in the minority.

 

Their general role is to find the taint. It is then the task of other Imperial organs to enact its destruction. As efficiently as possible.

 

Is it practical for an Inquisitor to be a (huge) walking battle tank\\walker slaved to the enginseers that maintain its workings? No.

 

Barriers to overcome:

 

Physical: Is it physically possible without the black carapace? Can a non \"post-human\" have the physical strength and endurance to survive the trauma? Unlikely.

 

-edit- When I think of physical trauma, I imagine the equivilant of a black carapace that an Inquisitor would need to have installed so they could link with the dreadnoughts systems. If that arduous process was under taken by a fully fit inquisitor it is still not something that many mortals are given to survive, even at the best of times as space marine aspirant attrition rates are testament to. To undertake such a task on a wounded individual, the chances of success seem even slimmer.

 

Psychological: Can a non \"post-human\" endure the gene-therapy and numerous drugs necessary to graft their mind to its servos and systems with sanity intact? Doubtful.

 

Acquisition: A Dreadnought chassis is a profoundly rare thing - chances of acquiring one? Slim.

 

Maintinance: Who would maintain the chassis? I see two possibilities. Techmarines and Ad Mech. Both have their own masters to answer to, outside the Inquisition.

 

But the most important factor:

 

Rule of Cool: Hell Yes - Its cool. I demand an Eisenhorn themed Dread-knight with Warding Staff and Barbarisator. NOW.

 

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[Chengar Qordath]

Adeptus Custodes have access to Terminator Armor. Terminator Inquisitor models have also been released in the past.

Not to mention both the old DH Codex and the current GK one allow Terminator Inquisitors.

 

I suspect any Inquisitor who was severely injured to the point of being crippled would far prefer going the route of Ravenor; his conveyance was far more capable of subtlety and discretion, while still being heavily armed and armored.

[Something Wycked]

Physical: Is it physically possible without the black carapace? Can a non "post-human" have the physical strength and endurance to survive the trauma? Unlikely.

All excellent points, Adam, that I agree with- except the above.

 

To what trauma are you referring? Being placed into the sarcophagus is supposed to save the life of a mortally wounded Astartes. How does one save his life while inflicting life-threatening trauma simultaneously?

[Chengar Qordath]

Physical: Is it physically possible without the black carapace? Can a non "post-human" have the physical strength and endurance to survive the trauma? Unlikely.

All excellent points, Adam, that I agree with- except the above.

 

To what trauma are you referring? Being placed into the sarcophagus is supposed to save the life of a mortally wounded Astartes. How does one save his life while inflicting life-threatening trauma simultaneously?

Marines are much, much hardier than un-enhanced humans, and treat the sort of trauma that would instantly kill a normal human as a mild annoyance (Such as the G-forces experienced in a drop pod). As I recall, entombing a Marine in a Dreadnought is a fairly precise and difficult process; doing that same thing with a far squishier unenhanced human might not be possible.

[Hackbar]

. How does one save his life while inflicting life-threatening trauma simultaneously?

 

To use a real world example, open heart surgery.

[Something Wycked]

Point taken, both of you. And it would be suitably grimdark for several Astartes who would qualify for the Dreadnought "promotion" to be lost in the process of entombing them before one finally survives.

[Nian]

May I remind you that Inquisitor Lord Hector Rex was given similar gene therapy to a space marine and is 8' tall.

[Prathios]

Something like a dreadnaught is not unheard of but an actual sm dread... no. Astartes horde their gear away from others. A dread sarcophagus would be amongst a chapters most prized relics. The tech would not be built for an inquisitors normal human body either. So the answer is no. However a moving repulsor coffin is already in use by Inquisitor Ravenor. It's not a dreadnought but it shows that this type of thing is possible on a human level. So make a dreadnought type of thing, but not an actual dread.

[heretic??ME??]

Ok firstly Inquisitors in terminator armour are cool. http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/images-armour/inquisitor.gif

 

 

With the recent Dreadknights coupled with penitant engines, ideas for mechanized =][= are starting to bounce around in my head.

Now the inquisition is known for its secrecy except on occasion Ordo Herecitus who do like to stir s**t up to drive out those witches.

lord hector rex's background could indicate an almost regular use of gene threpapy on promising students.

 

Now with 2 marine chapters The Red hunters and the Exorcists both having links to the =][= we have possible links for maintance and supply. Indeed when these two chapters were set up where were the dreadnoughts obtained from?? The Exorcists as we know are unusual being from the Thirteenth Founding or Dark Founding.

 

Yeah pushing really.....

 

Off to build a detachable coffin on legs..... coffin on 25mm base for normal games, inserted into 'dreadlike' armour when my new =][= goes to war.

 

 

http://www.roboticrevolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/chairbot.jpg

 

[Iron Father Rik]

Now with 2 marine chapters The Red hunters and the Exorcists both having links to the =][= we have possible links for maintance and supply. Indeed when these two chapters were set up where were the dreadnoughts obtained from?? The Exorcists as we know are unusual being from the Thirteenth Founding or Dark Founding.

 

And the Silver Skulls too. The whole 13th Founding was an inquisitorial experiment, and it included the Exorcists (woot!) and the Silver Skulls.

 

Now the inquisition is known for its secrecy except on occasion Ordo Herecitus who do like to stir s**t up to drive out those witches.

 

Remember, there is more than one way to keep stuff secret. One is to not tell anyone about it in the first place, keeping identity hidden and working covertly. The other is to exterminate abslaoutely everyone and everything that could possibly know of it (except those who you want to know of course). This technique is employed by many inquisitors.

 

The Inquisition as a whole is a super-secret organisation, full of subterfuge and backstabbing and hidden agendas, but that does not mean that all inquisitors run around cloak-and-dagger style with hidden identities and doing everything on the down low. It is very well known that inquisitors can and will do anything required to achieve their goals, and there are many, many inquisitors who will happy wade in and purge everything without asking questions, rather than subtly trying to infiltrate and tease out answers. Such individuals are shown across many stories and novels, including the Eisenhorn and Ravenor series, and Inquisitor Lord Karamazov is a prime example of this attitude.

 

Remember, as I tried to say earlier, the Inquisition is so free to do whatever it wants, and has so much resources it can acquire, that you have freedom to do whatever you want with them, limited only by your imagination!

[Eddie Orlock]

Regarding Inquisitors in Terminator suits, I'll just point to my Avatar. Picture of a model in my collection. :P

 

Physical: Is it physically possible without the black carapace? Can a non \"post-human\" have the physical strength and endurance to survive the trauma? Unlikely.

Trauma? What trauma? With the proper Mind Impulse unit, piloting a Dreadnought is almost as easy a wearing a crown. Piloting one well in combat's another story and might take some practice.

 

The point I'll get at here, is that in 40k there is more than one way to interface with the machine. As they described in Rogue trader the technology runs the gamut from non-invasive mind-impulse devices that are the highest art of the Omnissiah, to sophisticated 'Matrix' like jacks, to whole sale surgical implantation like is commonly depicted in the case of Marine dreads, to crude and complex arangements of buttons and levers like the Orks are wont to use.

 

No, the creepy thing about mind impusle units is that the transition between being 'jacked in' and not is maddening, and machines that are that sophisticated tend to have a bit of a will of their own and ghosts in the links. The bigger the engine, the stronger its spirit. This is why it takes a person of exceptional will and character to be a titan princips. Beyond all other qualifications they have to master the will of the engine and supress or co-opt the residuals of all who came before or risk insanity. This is also why they don't tend to plug and unplug very often.

 

So, the charactes mind is jacked into a mamoth artificial shell. He's finally learned how to walk with some grace and is getting a bit better at it. This has taken weeks, if not months, similar to the rehabilitation of a parapelegic or a head trama victim. Maybe an amputee who's lost her dominant arm. So many basic motor functions have to be relearned. Then there's always the risk that they'll forget the original versions of their motor skills. We also know that they can only jack in and out so many times before they're no longer useful, but we can only guess at how many times that is. Do we really want to risk our investment in time and resources unplugging them if we can possibly help it? I wouldn't, we were lucky and found a suitable candidate who could both master the machines spirit and relearn their motor skills without having to be lobotomised and programmed as a servitor.

[Angelis Mortis]

While fluff wise, I think its absolutely possible, I think for practical reasons it would never happen. Inquisitorial duties require diplomacy and at time discretion, which would be hard to accomplish in a giant robot sarcophagus.

 

I respectfully, entirely disagree. Not all inquisitors follow a soft touch, diplomatic approach. Many follow the "exterminatus first, don't bother asking questions later" approach. If you read Inquisitor Lord Karamazov's fluff (in the Grey Knight and Witchhunter codex) you will see what I mean.

 

I would have to respectfully disagree with you here. If Inquisitors were just running around wiping out entire sectors on a hunch, they would quickly be declared Excomunicae Traitorus and be the hunted not the hunter. Take Inquisitor Velerias fluff in the codex for example. All Inquisitorial investigations require some sort of discretion, diplomacy, bribery, subterfuge, discrimination and judgement. Some of which performed by minions, some by the Inquisitor, some by unwitting pawns the Inquisitor sets into motion without their knowledge they are even doing his bidding. An Inquisitors job is to save humanity, to root out evil, to get to the source, and snuff it there, not wholesale extermination on a whim. Exterminatus is reserved for corruption that is so inbred, so pervasive that nothing short of total extermination will guarantee its defeat.