Astartes Inquisitor?

[MadDoc]

Sources and reasons. Not just random opinion. I just told you that a marine likely founded the inquisition. You have no basis to stand on.

I was going to let that slide but since you brought it up again. The "sources" you reference are incomplete, you fail to take into account the further information presented in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions where there are four mortals and eight Astartes brought before the Emperor by Malcador, and the suggestion is that these mortals are the founders of the Inquisition (which concures with opening extract of the Inquisitor rulebook featuring the four mortal progenetors of the Inquisition) and the Astartes are destined for a greater purpose, the new Grey Knights Codex basically confirms what that higher purpose is, founding the Grey Knights.

 

So don't get all high and mighty with Kage demanding sources, when you haven't been 100% with your own referencing or presentation of the facts.

[Chengar Qordath]

Finally, telling someone that such an individual cannot exist goes against the one fundamental of any fantasy setting (and hobby in general), we all take part in this, for fun! And we should never ever attempt to infringe on another's sense of fun within such an environment. (as long of their concept of fun is not murdering innocents, etc)

Doesn't that pretty much eliminate every single faction in 40k?

 

As to the overall discussion, in my opinion, the biggest stumbling block (though hardly insurmountable) to an Astartes Inquisitor is that most Marines who would make decent Inquisitors would also make much better Captains, Librarians. Add that to the fact that most Astartes would hate the idea of leaving their Battle Brothers behind, and that's a pretty big hurdle. As long as there's a decent explanation that accounts for obstacles to making a Marine Inquisitor, it shouldn't be a problem.

[Prathios]

Sources and reasons. Not just random opinion. I just told you that a marine likely founded the inquisition. You have no basis to stand on.

I was going to let that slide but since you brought it up again. The "sources" you reference are incomplete, you fail to take into account the further information presented in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions where there are four mortals and eight Astartes brought before the Emperor by Malcador, and the suggestion is that these mortals are the founders of the Inquisition (which concures with opening extract of the Inquisitor rulebook featuring the four mortal progenetors of the Inquisition) and the Astartes are destined for a greater purpose, the new Grey Knights Codex basically confirms what that higher purpose is, founding the Grey Knights.

 

So don't get all high and mighty with Kage demanding sources, when you haven't been 100% with your own referencing or presentation of the facts.

 

Actually I found the new GK codex to basically assure that Garro was not a founder of the GK. If he were it might have been mentioned, but as it was not I fell on the likelihood that he was not a founder of the GK and was, rather, a founder of the Inquisition. So rather than letting it slide, you should instead realize your own opinion is just that, an educated guess no better than mine.

 

Not high and mighty, simply pointing to a reference rather than just saying, "it can't be done!!!"

[Brother Captain Kezef]

read the Grey Knights Omnibus by Counter. it starts with a grey Knight and ends with something else, a marin who has the qualities to become an inquisitor. The novels really do a great job of setting up a unique set of circumstances that could turn an Astartes into a Inquisitor.

 

Not every Inquisitor is an investigator. Some are bullish, ingle-minded warriors who go forth and kick fundiment in a rightous manner. They have investigative types on their staff who do the groundwork, finding targets for their master's wrath.

 

Astartes would make very good puritan inquisitors, their inner core of faith would go a long way to help them in their duties. But an Astartes inquisitor would be extremely rare, the product of unique circumstances. perhaps for every ten thousand Inquisitors, you might have one Astartes Inquisitor.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

Sources and reasons. Not just random opinion. I just told you that a marine likely founded the inquisition. You have no basis to stand on.

I was going to let that slide but since you brought it up again. The "sources" you reference are incomplete, you fail to take into account the further information presented in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions where there are four mortals and eight Astartes brought before the Emperor by Malcador, and the suggestion is that these mortals are the founders of the Inquisition (which concures with opening extract of the Inquisitor rulebook featuring the four mortal progenetors of the Inquisition) and the Astartes are destined for a greater purpose, the new Grey Knights Codex basically confirms what that higher purpose is, founding the Grey Knights.

 

So don't get all high and mighty with Kage demanding sources, when you haven't been 100% with your own referencing or presentation of the facts.

 

Actually I found the new GK codex to basically assure that Garro was not a founder of the GK. If he were it might have been mentioned, but as it was not I fell on the likelihood that he was not a founder of the GK and was, rather, a founder of the Inquisition. So rather than letting it slide, you should instead realize your own opinion is just that, an educated guess no better than mine.

 

Not high and mighty, simply pointing to a reference rather than just saying, "it can't be done!!!"

 

Obviosuly you didn't read your codex well enough as it clearly states that four ordinary Humans where chosen to form the Inquisition. Hell it's most likely that garro was one of the original 8 Grand Masters going by the codex fluff.

 

the codex cites 4 Human lords formed the Inquisition and 8 Astartes formed the Grey Knights,some of these 8 where loyalists from traitor legions. If you want to cite facts in a codex you have to go by the whole thing rather than cherry picking what you like.

[lordsloth]

Personally, I think it is not impossible. Having said that, it rubs me the wrong way so it's not a plot device i'd employ myself (waaaaaaay too contrived and improbable, even in a universe like 40k). But to each his own. If you can find a reason that sits well for yourself, then I see no reason why you shouldnt include an inquisitor marine in your game session, army fluff, fanfiction or whatever.

 

perhaps for every ten thousand Inquisitors, you might have one Astartes Inquisitor.

 

That seems like alot tbh :huh: If there are roughly a thousand chapters containing roughly a thousand marines each (some have more, some have less, lets just go with the codex as average for a rough calc) then there are one million marines (Give or take a couple 100k, who cares). Thats not a whole lot considering the size of the universe. Factor in the incredibly rare list of circumstances under which one might become an inquisitor according to how this thread is going, it seems unlikely that more than one (maybe at a stretch 2) would be around at any given time. They also live longer and survive better than your general human inquisitor so I figure a lot more than 10000 normal inquisitors would pass by before a new marine one was introduced.

[spafe]

Sorry, only half read over above points, will almost certianly not address something, but here goes as an idea

 

Brother [insert name] from the cleansing flames chapter, a successor of the salamanders (cue the humanity part, allows him to relate slightly better/take and interest in human workings) was a rising star in the chapter looking to become one of their youngest captains. He excelled at leading detachments serperate from the command chain, trusted by his captain to lead serveral squads and make the correct tactical decision in the field while away frmo the chapters guidance. however due to his rapid progression and in line with the chapters customs of with age comes responsibility (sub for senority or what not to make flow better, im not a good wordsmith) he was dispatched to the deathwatch to gain experience and accolades to his name which would allow for his ride through the ranks to go smoothly.

 

While he was serving with the deathwatch he was seconded to an inquister and fought in his service on a protracted campaign for 5 years. During this time unknown to him the deathwatch outpost that dispatched him was hit by a waaagh and destroyed. This same waaagh caught the young marines home world and chapterfortress in its path of destruction, Leaving only the 5th company who were off planet remaining alive. This remenants then decided to go on a sucide mission into the heart of the warboss's territory to strike one final blow to the ork menace. This left [insert name] within the service of the inquister indefinatly with no orders to be recalled. As is prone to happen in their line of work, the inquister was killed although his manner of passing is not recorded. Subsequently his interrogater was promoted to rank of inquister and continued his work, with [insert name] remaining within his service.

 

Since that time the marine has learnt much, serving under 4 more inquisters, each rising though the rank of interrogator until one lead forced them to go to the system of [insert sector name, sorry im really bad with thinking of names]. The politics of this system was in upheavel, and in order to gain meeting with a prince of the only forgeworld in the area the inquister was only allowed to bring interrogators or higher ranks. Given that the marine would give him the most advantage in their phyically dominated society, inquister [you guessed it, need a name] promoted [our hero's name] to honorary rank of interrogator.

 

When leaving the world, treachery was discovered as the nobles rioted and both the inquister and his successor were killed in the ensuring firefight. [our heros name] was the only remaining interrogator rank within the henchman that had escaped, so he was then promoted to the rank of inquister, and has held that title since.

 

what do people think? jsut a quick stab at it, im sure better writers can tart it up a bit

[Prathios]

Sources and reasons. Not just random opinion. I just told you that a marine likely founded the inquisition. You have no basis to stand on.

I was going to let that slide but since you brought it up again. The "sources" you reference are incomplete, you fail to take into account the further information presented in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions where there are four mortals and eight Astartes brought before the Emperor by Malcador, and the suggestion is that these mortals are the founders of the Inquisition (which concures with opening extract of the Inquisitor rulebook featuring the four mortal progenetors of the Inquisition) and the Astartes are destined for a greater purpose, the new Grey Knights Codex basically confirms what that higher purpose is, founding the Grey Knights.

 

So don't get all high and mighty with Kage demanding sources, when you haven't been 100% with your own referencing or presentation of the facts.

 

Actually I found the new GK codex to basically assure that Garro was not a founder of the GK. If he were it might have been mentioned, but as it was not I fell on the likelihood that he was not a founder of the GK and was, rather, a founder of the Inquisition. So rather than letting it slide, you should instead realize your own opinion is just that, an educated guess no better than mine.

 

Not high and mighty, simply pointing to a reference rather than just saying, "it can't be done!!!"

 

Obviosuly you didn't read your codex well enough as it clearly states that four ordinary Humans where chosen to form the Inquisition. Hell it's most likely that garro was one of the original 8 Grand Masters going by the codex fluff.

 

the codex cites 4 Human lords formed the Inquisition and 8 Astartes formed the Grey Knights,some of these 8 where loyalists from traitor legions. If you want to cite facts in a codex you have to go by the whole thing rather than cherry picking what you like.

 

So I reread that portion of the codex and you're correct it does list that fairly clearly. I did not cherry pick anything and you're assumption that I intentionally made this mistake is insulting, as it was obviously meant to be. However I was wrong on this and I acknowledge that. My problem with this take however is that Garro was not a psyker so the only capacity he could serve the GK would be advisory. He could not have been an actual GK.

 

However that said, you need to find something wrong with the intent of my post in order to remain faithful to the OP. So is nit picking your only issue or do you actually think that an Astartes inquisitor is impossible? The Garro point aside I don't believe there is anything flawed about my logic.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

Sources and reasons. Not just random opinion. I just told you that a marine likely founded the inquisition. You have no basis to stand on.

I was going to let that slide but since you brought it up again. The "sources" you reference are incomplete, you fail to take into account the further information presented in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions where there are four mortals and eight Astartes brought before the Emperor by Malcador, and the suggestion is that these mortals are the founders of the Inquisition (which concures with opening extract of the Inquisitor rulebook featuring the four mortal progenetors of the Inquisition) and the Astartes are destined for a greater purpose, the new Grey Knights Codex basically confirms what that higher purpose is, founding the Grey Knights.

 

So don't get all high and mighty with Kage demanding sources, when you haven't been 100% with your own referencing or presentation of the facts.

 

Actually I found the new GK codex to basically assure that Garro was not a founder of the GK. If he were it might have been mentioned, but as it was not I fell on the likelihood that he was not a founder of the GK and was, rather, a founder of the Inquisition. So rather than letting it slide, you should instead realize your own opinion is just that, an educated guess no better than mine.

 

Not high and mighty, simply pointing to a reference rather than just saying, "it can't be done!!!"

 

Obviosuly you didn't read your codex well enough as it clearly states that four ordinary Humans where chosen to form the Inquisition. Hell it's most likely that garro was one of the original 8 Grand Masters going by the codex fluff.

 

the codex cites 4 Human lords formed the Inquisition and 8 Astartes formed the Grey Knights,some of these 8 where loyalists from traitor legions. If you want to cite facts in a codex you have to go by the whole thing rather than cherry picking what you like.

 

So I reread that portion of the codex and you're correct it does list that fairly clearly. I did not cherry pick anything and you're assumption that I intentionally made this mistake is insulting, as it was obviously meant to be. However I was wrong on this and I acknowledge that. My problem with this take however is that Garro was not a psyker so the only capacity he could serve the GK would be advisory. He could not have been an actual GK.

 

However that said, you need to find something wrong with the intent of my post in order to remain faithful to the OP. So is nit picking your only issue or do you actually think that an Astartes inquisitor is impossible? The Garro point aside I don't believe there is anything flawed about my logic.

 

Every current Grey Knight is indeed a psyker in some way. Does that mean the first 8 where? the role of the first 8 Grandmasters was to form the Grey knights, to train them and provide guidance for the task ahead. It's logical to assume that being a psyker was not the primary quality required of the first 8.

 

There is logic to suggest that janus may of been Garro. Grey Knights abandon their given name as it gives Daemons power, did this tradition start at the founding of the chapter?

 

Read the post above the one you took offence to and you'll find my arguments FOR astartes Inquisitors. Don't assume because I called you on the fluff that I disagree with you.

[Iron Lord]

Inquisitor Silas Hand (in the Daemonifuge comic, also depicted in the Inquisitor rulebook) wears armor that looks rather Astartes-ish, when compared to other heavily armoured inquisitors like Coteaz, Tyrus, or Hector Rex.

 

Inquisitor Gideon, in Daemonifuge book 2, actually masquerades as a Black Templars Space Marine.

 

So I do wonder if some full Astartes (maybe Deathwatch Black Shields, or something similar?) have gone on to become Inquisitors.

[Something Wycked]

Alright, in my mind this is pretty much settled. To clear a few things up, and perhaps re-track the thread, there are a few points I'd like to address.

 

1) I am not saying in the slightest that this is the least bit common. In fact, I think the 1 in 10,000 figure given to be overly generous. With all of the objections brought up, I feel that the circumstances involved make this a singular possibility, if ever, and even two at the outside is severely pushing it. Of course, that is my opinion and you are free to do whatever you like with it :P

 

2) The purpose of this is not to create an uber character for me to play in Deathwatch or Dark Heresy- this has become the creation of an NPC for my GM to use in a future Dark Heresy game. And of course anyone else so inclined, feel free, this is not a trademarked IP :P

 

3) I of course welcome any further thoughts about it, both pro and con- supporting evidence for either side is still very valuable to me, particularly evidence against. I like my creations to follow the fluff as well as possible, so any additional stipulations will need to be addressed.

 

After we get all of the discussion out of the way, I think I'd like to open up the development of the Astartes Inquisitor's former Chapter, his personal background and personality, and fluff related to him and his career to the B&C. We've got a lot of creative and talented people in the forum :P

 

@ Dremen - it started as simply a mental/fluff exercise, and as it became apparent that it was not strictly verboten it grew into the creation of an NPC- and perhaps a miniature as well :)

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

So there's really no point in talking to you about this, as you already have your mind made up and won't listen to anything anyone else says. Lesson learned.

 

After we get all of the discussion out of the way, I think I'd like to open up the development of the Astartes Inquisitor's former Chapter, his personal background and personality, and fluff related to him and his career to the B&C. We've got a lot of creative and talented people in the forum :)

 

 

Ahhh, love it when I'm right.

[Something Wycked]

If you're not going to contribute anything useful to my thread, Kage, such as a point of fluff that says that Astartes absolutely cannot be an Inquisitor, please don't post in it.

[Brother Rathul]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but aren't the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights basically Inqusitors?

[Grey Mage]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but aren't the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights basically Inqusitors?

No, they are members of the inquisition, its different :D.

 

Especially since GKs are a secret military force....

 

Deathwatch, theyve got more wiggleroom.

[Something Wycked]

Deathwatch, theyve got more wiggleroom.

Particularly since the Deathwatch can leave witnesses alive... XD

[Impactwinter]

Wycked, I think an angle you haven't quite hit is a Marine initiate in one of the chapters the =I= uses (i.e. relictors, knights errant etc) that doesn't quite make marine grade on the implants and such; he might have a keen mind and still superhuman physique, but maybe didn't quite make the chapters cut, or maybe didn't make it into a psyker-fearing chapter; a passing Inquisitor could snatch up such an acolyte and train him as an apprentice rather than allowing him to be killed (or whatever said chapter does with its failures)

 

Its not exactly an experienced astarte turned Inquisitor, but the elements are there in a more plausible way

[Something Wycked]

Thanks for the input, Impact :teehee:

 

I do agree, it is much more plausible for a Marine "reject" as it were to be recruited by the Inquisition, and I could see a handful or so of these in the Inquisition at any one time, especially if one were to assume that an Ordo/an Inquisitor struck a deal with a friendly Chapter to send recruits their way. Definitely an interesting idea.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

If you're not going to contribute anything useful to my thread, Kage, such as a point of fluff that says that Astartes absolutely cannot be an Inquisitor, please don't post in it.

 

Even if I dug out a piece of lore that said without question, in no way, shape, or form, would an Astartes EVER be an Inquisitor, would it really make a difference? You don't care what the fluff says. You want your superman Inquisitor, and you've got your hands clamped firmly over your ears and your eyes squeezed shut, not wanting to read or listen to anything any one else says. I have already given plenty of good reasons why it won't happen, other people jumping in against me have already had their counterpoints shot down, and still you persist.

 

Don't act like you would change anything if there was irrefutable proof against it, because your mind is already made up and this thread is just to try to get people to jump on your bandwagon tell you what a wonderful idea it is. And if you started out that way, saying "I don't give a crap what the lore says, I'm doing this," my reaction would have been completely different. But if you're going to ask the community "Hey, does this sound reasonable?", you need to be prepared for people to say that it's not a good idea, goes against the established lore, and hasn't ever happened in the history of the 40k setting.

[Prathios]

If you're not going to contribute anything useful to my thread, Kage, such as a point of fluff that says that Astartes absolutely cannot be an Inquisitor, please don't post in it.

 

Even if I dug out a piece of lore that said without question, in no way, shape, or form, would an Astartes EVER be an Inquisitor, would it really make a difference? You don't care what the fluff says. You want your superman Inquisitor, and you've got your hands clamped firmly over your ears and your eyes squeezed shut, not wanting to read or listen to anything any one else says. I have already given plenty of good reasons why it won't happen, other people jumping in against me have already had their counterpoints shot down, and still you persist.

 

Don't act like you would change anything if there was irrefutable proof against it, because your mind is already made up and this thread is just to try to get people to jump on your bandwagon tell you what a wonderful idea it is. And if you started out that way, saying "I don't give a crap what the lore says, I'm doing this," my reaction would have been completely different. But if you're going to ask the community "Hey, does this sound reasonable?", you need to be prepared for people to say that it's not a good idea, goes against the established lore, and hasn't ever happened in the history of the 40k setting.

 

No but I'd very much like to hear this piece of lore you can't provide. I've noticed you've been asked for it multiple times and refuse to give it harping on the same thing every time with no way to back it up. Please, if you have some magic fluff I don't know anything about provide it. I would like to know so that I can change my view on the matter.

 

You're just about the only one who thinks it's blasphemy. Nearly everyone else here thinks it's possible but super rare.

[MadDoc]

Actually I found the new GK codex to basically assure that Garro was not a founder of the GK. If he were it might have been mentioned, but as it was not I fell on the likelihood that he was not a founder of the GK and was, rather, a founder of the Inquisition. So rather than letting it slide, you should instead realize your own opinion is just that, an educated guess no better than mine.

:no:

 

You said this.

Sources and reasons. Not just random opinion. I just told you that a marine likely founded the inquisition. You have no basis to stand on.

Here you're saying you require facts for proof not opinion... which is odd since your own previous argument isn't at all backed up by any facts from the source you vaguely gave.

 

You were then force to admit this...

So I reread that portion of the codex and you're correct it does list that fairly clearly. I did not cherry pick anything and you're assumption that I intentionally made this mistake is insulting, as it was obviously meant to be. However I was wrong on this and I acknowledge that. My problem with this take however is that Garro was not a psyker so the only capacity he could serve the GK would be advisory. He could not have been an actual GK.

 

However that said, you need to find something wrong with the intent of my post in order to remain faithful to the OP. So is nit picking your only issue or do you actually think that an Astartes inquisitor is impossible? The Garro point aside I don't believe there is anything flawed about my logic.

You may not have intentionally misread it but the fact remains you did, going on to present your misinformed opinion as the facts of the matter, and you then had the audacity to accuse me of presenting little more than an educated guess as fact, when all I was doing was presenting the actual facts. :P

 

As for your logic, the only real problem with it is that its entirely predicated on a faulty understanding of the facts.

 

Not high and mighty, simply pointing to a reference rather than just saying, "it can't be done!!!"

Incorrectly referencing a source and presenting your opinion as fact, is not the same as pointing to a reference, and the former is most definitely what you did.

 

Kage also has a valid point, if the OP was honestly interested in feedback, then why has he simply made addendums to the hypothetical to counter every unarguable impediment to a Marine becoming an Inquisitor that has been raised? Seems like a concerted effort to make it a foregone conclusion, rather than a discussion of its validity to me.

[Something Wycked]

Even if I dug out a piece of lore that said without question, in no way, shape, or form, would an Astartes EVER be an Inquisitor, would it really make a difference?

Yes, yes it would. If you found a piece of lore that showed that the Emperor laid down very specific limits on the branches of the Imperium, such that no Astartes could every be anything but an Astartes, I'd be the first one to shut down the thread.

 

You don't care what the fluff says. You want your superman Inquisitor, and you've got your hands clamped firmly over your ears and your eyes squeezed shut, not wanting to read or listen to anything any one else says. I have already given plenty of good reasons why it won't happen, other people jumping in against me have already had their counterpoints shot down, and still you persist.

I put the fluff first and foremost- or didn't you notice that I said this could happen maybe once, if ever, and only under a very limited and select set of circumstances? I've taken everyone's points of contention into account and incorporated those new requirements into the original idea. I have no need of a "superman Inquisitor" - I'll never field him on the tabletop (I never use homegrown rules in my games- BRB + codices, period) and I'll never use him as a player character in a RPG. I'm plenty happy with my Cleric in Dark Heresy, my Rogue Trader Captain, and my Devastator in the Deathwatch.

 

Truth be told, if anyone has their eyes and ears squeezed shut, its you.

 

Don't act like you would change anything if there was irrefutable proof against it, because your mind is already made up and this thread is just to try to get people to jump on your bandwagon tell you what a wonderful idea it is. And if you started out that way, saying "I don't give a crap what the lore says, I'm doing this," my reaction would have been completely different. But if you're going to ask the community "Hey, does this sound reasonable?", you need to be prepared for people to say that it's not a good idea, goes against the established lore, and hasn't ever happened in the history of the 40k setting.

I don't have to act like I'd change anything- because it wouldn't be an act. My mind isn't made up, I simply haven't been given any evidence to support your claims of "no way, no how". As said right before now, if anyone has their mind made up and won't accept any new information, its you.

 

I don't need anyone to "jump on my bandwagon" as you put it- I'd be perfectly happy creating this on my own, in the privacy of my own house and without people like you interrupting the enjoyment, sharing it only with my gaming group. But as I've been a part of this community more and more over the past few weeks, I thought I'd do it in a way that's a little more social and inclusive.

 

Further, I didn't ask if the idea was "reasonable". I've stated myself that it is, in fact, not reasonable- I stated that its damn near unique, if it exists at all. I asked if it was possible and asked for people to show me proof in fluff that it is not.

 

I've taken all of the "not a good idea" comments and modified the original premise to fit an even more exacting standard of rarity. The only reason it "goes against lore" is that it hasn't ever been written about by GW/BL. As stated before by someone else, absence of proof is not proof of absence.

 

Before the Necron/Tau/Tyranid codices were released, what would you have said if I brainstormed up an alien race other than the Eldar and Orks? "Its not in the lore, it doesn't exist!"

 

Poppycock.

 

Now, all of this has been covered before earlier in the thread. Have you anything further, anything useful to add? Please don't rehash the same points... Again.

 

Edit:

Kage also has a valid point, if the OP was honestly interested in feedback, then why has he simply made addendums to the hypothetical to counter every unarguable impediment to a Marine becoming an Inquisitor that has been raised? Seems like a concerted effort to make it a foregone conclusion, rather than a discussion of its validity to me.

I wasn't asking for "feedback". The purpose was not to counter every "unarguable impediment"; I was finding out if it was possible. And the consensus is, in an extremely limited manner, it would be possible because it is not explicitly verboten.

 

But you are, of course, more than free to have your opinion on the matter.

 

I'll ask the same of you as I have of Kage- have you anything to present that would cause the consensus built here to change?

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Further, I didn't ask if the idea was "reasonable". I've stated myself that it is, in fact, not reasonable- I stated that its damn near unique, if it exists at all. I asked if it was possible and asked for people to show me proof in fluff that it is not.

 

This. This right here. This is your foundation you stand on, and it's completely and totally laughable. Go ask a scientist what is "possible", and you can get all kinds of amazing stuff that would never happen in reality. The Magic Bullet theory is "possible". Would it ever happen in reality? Probably not once in a trillion.

 

Your whole argument of "PROOF OR leave!" is also flawed in a game setting where each new novel or Codex rewrites or retcons something.

 

No, I do not have a line from some book that says "And the Emperor of Mankind did drink from his goblet and thenst proclaimed that Astartes shall henceforth never take the office of the Inquistion, unto the end of creation." Neither do you have something that says it can.

 

In 24 years of Warhammer 40k there has never been a precedent set for it. That is what I have on my side, which is a lot more than you have. I won't reiterate my points "...again" as you said, because they have already shot this to pieces some time ago.

[Something Wycked]

Go ask someone from the 12th century what is possible. After they answer, inform them that man will fly, speak to people on the other side of the world instantaneously, stand on the face of Luna herself, visit Neptune's briny depths, create moving paintings... the list goes on. And that person from the 12th century will tell you that all of those things are absolutely impossible. Outside of magic.

 

This is a fantastical setting that has certainly not been 100% defined- we see this with every new release of fluffy materials, and you even (astutely) pointed this out. Funny how I interpret it to mean that anything not explicitly forbidden is possible, and you take it to mean that everything not specifically written about doesn't exist. Until it has been written about by an official GW/BL author, of course.

 

So yes, you feel it has been "shot to pieces", but everyone else who has posted in this thread (outside of perhaps MadDoc, who has only taken part in the GK fluff part of the thread) thinks you're wrong.

 

The original premise placed the onus of proof on you, not me. Statements along the lines of "I think" (which is exactly the type of material you posted in your initial "refutation") are not proof, they are opinion. And when I addressed the topics you brought up with logic, you (rather rudely) accused me of being closed-minded because I didn't immediately bow down to your clearly superior line of thinking.

 

So please. Please. Stop derailing my thread?

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I agree that there could be space marine inquisitors. And the person saying about it's not on the rules. In the 40k rulebook it says homegrown rules are acceptable If both players agree. To this cause if your opponent let's you use said inquisitor then it's not really a problem. And fluff wise. Nathaniel Garro. Now I haven't heard the audiobooks about him however. The grey knights have their own gene seed so Garro could not be one of them. He could be made into a deathwatch for intents and purposes but when telling him about his new assignment the emperors right hand man clearly states " we need people of an inquisitive nature" which to me leads to believe he was turned into an inquisitor. To say this wouldn't happen again is a very narrow minded approach.

 

Take the bargeshi for example. the inquisition know nothing about this particular species of alien. However the Iron Lords, the space marine chapter stationed to control them, would know considerably more seeing as they face them constantly. If a catastrophe were to happen to said chapter then wha better candidate for the inquisition than a surviving member? Someone who knows how to fight and prevail agains such a hyperviolent species.