Jade Lions

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

So I've been tossing around an idea for a White Scars successor chapter so I figured I would post some of the ideas here and get some feedback.

 

As the title suggests the name of the chapter is the Jade Lions, the idea behind them is that they where created sometime during the 3rd founding and are based off of the Yuan Dynasty where the Mongols ruled china. Their founder and first Chapter Master was a ex White Scar named Changqing. Now White Scars fluff says that when Jaghatai united his homeworld he fought against the armies of the Palatine, the Palatines forces are described as "well equipped and highly disciplined armies, maintaining armoured horsemen and tight blocks of infantry." Now in the fluff Jaghatai defeated a great army of the Palatines and eventually went on to conquer all of the cities in the planet though not all where destroyed.

 

So the idea behind Changqing is that when he became a White Scar following the Emperors arrival he wasn't a member of the Steppe tribes but was instead a soldier from one of the cities (I can't see any reason why they coulden't be recruited from as well). So while he was trained in the ways of the White Scars he didn't have the same cultural connection that they had. This would go on to enfluence his chapter, he was also a strong supporter of tactical flexibility and was a supporter of adapting the teachings of the Codex Astartes. If you haven't already noticed the chapters founder is based off of Sun Tzu and The Art of War though he isn't from the Yuan Dynasty.

 

The chapters armor is jade green with black trim on their shoulder guards and a black lion emblem as their chapter symbol. Though the chapter was organised by Changqing to be more in keeping with the Codex Astartes he still honored the chapter he came from and his primarchs teachings and so the entire 1st Company is fielded in the traditional manner of the White Scars though the rest of the chapter follows more conventional organisation set down by the Codex Astartes.

 

When the chapter was founded they took as their homeworld a world that had been liberated by Jaghatai during the Great Crusade. The planet had once been under the controle of alien race who ruled the planet as feudal lords each with his own province, warriors and human slaves. When the White Scars took the planet from the aliens the human populous adapted the government of their former masters as it was all they knew. These provinces constantly war with eachother providing recruits for the chapter. The Chaplains of the chapter fashion their helmets to resemble the aliens and the oldest helmets are actually crafted from their skulls. The chapter does not have 1 fortress monastery but 5, each is home to 2 companies and is intended to prevent the destruction of all the chapters forces should one fall to enemy attack. Note that these 5 are not the same size as a standard FM and are smaller.

 

As far as the look and all that I would play off elements of chinese mythology and culture for the chapter. For instance power swords would be represented as Jian or a relic blade as a Monks Spade, names would be inspired by wushu characters, prayer parchments would be written in asian looking script probably a form of sanskrit. I particullarly like the idea behind the Chaplains helmet and I would try to make it look like an oni (I know oni are Japanese) and I've also found a sprue piece from the Empire Cannon that is a lion head knocker. If I cut the handle away it would make a perfect rosarius with some GS prayer beads.

 

Well those are just some of the ideas I've had so far :cuss

[elohimalpha]

So far so good - sounds like you have a clear theme in mind and it fits in well with the established universe (plus it's always good to see more Lions!). My only sticking point is Changqing - you say he becomes a White Scar after the Emperor's arrival; does that mean he was alive before the Horus Heresy? If he goes on to lead a 3rd founding Chapter, that makes him at least a thousand years old, and probably closer two thousand. While it's not unheard of (I think Commander Dante of the Blood Angels is several millenia old), I'd think it's exceedingly rare.

 

What event(s) led them to adopting a more balanced tactical approach? What's the Jade Lion's stance on dreadnoughts - do they have the same hang-ups the White Scars do? Do they have the same tendency towards aggression? I like the mini-fortress monastery idea (I've incorporated a similar idea) - not having all your thousand-year-old-eggs in one basket makes a lot of sense.

 

Looking forward to seeing more on these guys! Oh, and a paint-scheme/model - I hope jade-green is noticeably different from standard green, otherwise, you've got Salamanders :lol:

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

So far so good - sounds like you have a clear theme in mind and it fits in well with the established universe (plus it's always good to see more Lions!). My only sticking point is Changqing - you say he becomes a White Scar after the Emperor's arrival; does that mean he was alive before the Horus Heresy? If he goes on to lead a 3rd founding Chapter, that makes him at least a thousand years old, and probably closer two thousand. While it's not unheard of (I think Commander Dante of the Blood Angels is several millenia old), I'd think it's exceedingly rare.

Hmm good point, originally I had it planned that the chapter would be founded after Jaghatais dissapearance but I can't find when exactly it happened in the Imperial timeline for a founding. I think that Dante is in the 900 range age wise and is deffinitly the oldest marine outside of Dreadnought armor. I guess all I have to do is change the date he became a WS.

 

What event(s) led them to adopting a more balanced tactical approach? What's the Jade Lion's stance on dreadnoughts - do they have the same hang-ups the White Scars do? Do they have the same tendency towards aggression? I like the mini-fortress monastery idea (I've incorporated a similar idea) - not having all your thousand-year-old-eggs in one basket makes a lot of sense.

As I said Changqing was a strong supporter of the Codex Astartes and though trained in the ways of the White Scars he believed that armies should take a more balanced approach, this is in part due to his pre-astartes background as a soldier in the armies of the Palatine. Since he was not raised amongst the Steppe tribes he does not have the same affinity for their tactics though he understood their use and was trained in them, he also did not have the same mentality when it came to Dreadnoughts so the chapter does use Dreadnoughts just not many. And since the chapter was founded from scratch as normal it didn't have any White Scars other then those sergeants loaned from the WS to train the new marines. But those sergeants where under the command of Changqing untill they returned to their chapter so the new recruits where trained as Changqing saw suitable.

 

Looking forward to seeing more on these guys! Oh, and a paint-scheme/model - I hope jade-green is noticeably different from standard green, otherwise, you've got Salamanders :lol:

 

Here is the paint scheme, the "what paints should I use" even said the closest GW paint to the green is Jade Green :D

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/19/212066_sm-.jpg

 

The goal will be to try and get the armor to resemble actual jade not just look like ceramite painted the color of Jade. I'm going to try and make the armor of certain members look very ornate and am thining of little conversions here and there. For instance the chapter banner being done in asian style with a jade lion standing over a fallen enemy. Servo Skulls with lanterns hanging from underneath, painting an asian dragon on the side of Land Speeders. Here is a banner I'm thinking of using

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/20/212070_sm-.jpg

 

Here is a potential upscaled Dao for a dreadnought

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/20/212076_sm-.jpg

 

This would be at the top of my Librarians staff

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/20/212073_sm-.jpg

 

This would be either the dreadnoughts head or a captains shoulder guard

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/20/212074_sm-.jpg

 

I would incorporate the face on the left into a chest plate as a oni face minus the feathers

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/20/212068_sm-.jpg

 

And this is the lions head I would use as the basis for a chaplains rosarius

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/20/212079_sm-.jpg

[Master Exorcist]

im liking this oriental idea for your chapter.

 

Few questions:

 

what is the relationship between the individual fortress monasteries? do they fight individually from time-to-time? are they structured according to the codex? if so, what is the disposition of specialist companies? are they split throughout the FMs?

 

How do the provinces view the Jade Lions? how are they selected?

 

Really good idea mate, hope you stick with it.

 

ME

[Olis]

I'm really quite liking this, Jarl, I can't really think of alot else to say that hasn't been said before.

 

What's your chapters approach to the Codex Astartes? Is it strict (which I'm assuming it nearly is judging by what you wrote) or does it have some deviance somewhere (possibly that 1st company)? Speaking of, what's the 1st companies set up? :teehee:

[Captain Forcystus]

So far this is looking pretty cool. Dont have any criticisms as of now but just wanted to say it was cool

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

im liking this oriental idea for your chapter.

 

Few questions:

 

what is the relationship between the individual fortress monasteries? do they fight individually from time-to-time? are they structured according to the codex? if so, what is the disposition of specialist companies? are they split throughout the FMs?

Yes each company fights independantly of eachother unless commanded otherwise by the Chapter Master. The combination of which company inhabits which fortress is based on the location of the fortress as it partains to the training/purpose of the company.

1st and 10th companies as well as the chapter command are located in the largest city fortress.

2nd and 9th companies are located in the fertile valley fortress

3rd and 8th companies are located in the mountain fortress

4th and 7th companies are located in a provincial city fortress

5th and 6th companies are located in a provincial city fortress

 

How do the provinces view the Jade Lions? how are they selected?

 

Really good idea mate, hope you stick with it.

The population hasen't reached a black powder level of technology but they have large cities, agriculture, organised armies etc but more advanced technology is restricted to them. The marines are free to move throughout the planet and enteract with the populous though they rarely interfere with their affairs. The provinces constantly war with eachother to increase the lands of their lords but every lord swears loyalty to the Chapter Master and the Emperor. When the provinces go to war the chaplains of the chapter observe the battles and take those they see potential in to be turned into scouts.

 

Now this is where it gets a little complicated, think of each company as a school that specializes in a particular training. The 1st and 10th company is the first school, here they will begin the process of becoming space marines. They'll recieve their first implants, begin the hypnotherapy and begin their training as scouts. Once they have reached a certain level they will move on to the 2nd school which is one of the 4 combat companies, as apart of this company they will finish their training as scouts by fighting off world and recieving their final implants. Once they have become actual marines they move on to the 3rd and final school, if they showed no particular talent in any specialisation then they will be sent to either the 6th or 7th company where they will train as a tactical marine or other such role, after they're ready they will return to their parent company with their training completed. If they showed skill at a particular type of combat then they will be sent to train at the relevant monastary. So if a scout who is apart of the 2nd company shows skill in mele then he will be sent to the 8th company to train as an assault marine, once his training there is complete he will return to the 2nd company and fight as apart of an assault squad. From this point a marine will either stay with his company for the rest of his life or should he reach significant rank will return to the company he trained under to act as a teacher for the next generation. Or if he is worthy will be chosen to join the 1st company. In this way every marine fills the role he is best suited for and each marine is trained by the most skilled of their number.

 

so in case that's to confusing (I know it's alot :P) it goes like this. Keep in mind that the 6th-9th companies also fight and it is in the fighting that they train the students.

 

Potential becomes scout and starts training under 1st company

Potential finishes scout training and becomes marine assigned to one of the 2nd-5th companies

Marine recieves specialised training in 6th-9th companies depending on his skills

Marine returns to his assigned combat company

Marine either stays apart of his company, is chosen to join the 1st company or joins the 6th-9th companies as a teacher.

 

I'm really quite liking this, Jarl, I can't really think of alot else to say that hasn't been said before.

 

What's your chapters approach to the Codex Astartes? Is it strict (which I'm assuming it nearly is judging by what you wrote) or does it have some deviance somewhere (possibly that 1st company)? Speaking of, what's the 1st companies set up? :no:

They follow the tenets of the Codex Astartes to a greater degree then the White Scars do but they still vary to some degree. Every company is made up of teachers who are the more experienced marines and students who are the less experienced marines which leads to a very lucid composition to each company although each company follows the organisation and numbers set down by the CA except for the 1st company. The chapter also dosen't use the color coding for each company like the codex dictates. While most 1st companies have the option of being fielded entirely in Terminator armor the 1st company of the Jade Lions is most often fielded on bikes in honor of the White Scars and Jaghatai Khan. Should the situation call for it they can field TDA but it's rare for this to happen.

[Master Exorcist]

Good work dude,

 

Are there any differences from vanilla marines on their view of Techies, Librarians, and the sort? Has anything recently happened in the chapters history that may be a cause for concern?

 

i can't think of much more questions, you seem to have it pretty sorted. Start to draft up an IA when you have the time, i would look to Commissar Molotov's Castigators for a good example, along with the Warriors Eternal.

 

Im looking forward to reading your first draft.

 

 

ME

 

PS remember you can just post up an IA in the works, it doesn't need to be complete, like (in a shameless self-advertisement) the current state of my Dragon Claws.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Good work dude,

 

Are there any differences from vanilla marines on their view of Techies, Librarians, and the sort? Has anything recently happened in the chapters history that may be a cause for concern?

The Librarians, Techmarines and Chaplains are apart of the 2nd school. If a scout shows psychic ability, technological aptitude, medical skill or the zealous fervor of a chaplain during their training under the 1st company then they won't be assigned to a combat company and will instead be taken into the custody of the appropriate brach of the chapter command. So far all I've thought of that differs from vanilla marines is the Chaplains, their rosarius is always the shape of a Jade Lion and as I said in the OP their helmets are fashioned to resemble the aliens that once ruled the planet, the helmet of the Master of Sanctity is actually fashioned from the skull of one such alien. Because of their appearance the chapters chaplains are fearesd by the local populous. I haven't really thought of anything for the other specialists lol

 

i can't think of much more questions, you seem to have it pretty sorted. Start to draft up an IA when you have the time, i would look to Commissar Molotov's Castigators for a good example, along with the Warriors Eternal.

 

Im looking forward to reading your first draft.

 

 

ME

 

PS remember you can just post up an IA in the works, it doesn't need to be complete, like (in a shameless self-advertisement) the current state of my Dragon Claws.

Oh this won't be my first IA :D I've got a number on here already including celtic and maori marines. Posting what ideas I've had and getting the questions I've had has caused me to develop alot more that I haden't developed already such as the training program of the chapter etc. I've got a few more ideas I'm going to look into and once I develop them a bit more I'll deffinitly be making an IA :P

[Master Exorcist]

hmmm maori marines? have you got a linky?

 

ME

[NightrawenII]

The planet had once been under the controle of alien race who ruled the planet as feudal lords each with his own province, warriors and human slaves. When the White Scars took the planet from the aliens the human populous adapted the government of their former masters as it was all they knew. These provinces constantly war with eachother providing recruits for the chapter. The Chaplains of the chapter fashion their helmets to resemble the aliens and the oldest helmets are actually crafted from their skulls.

Why would Chaplains fashion their helmets to resemble despicable and wicked xenos?

 

So far so good - sounds like you have a clear theme in mind and it fits in well with the established universe (plus it's always good to see more Lions!). My only sticking point is Changqing - you say he becomes a White Scar after the Emperor's arrival; does that mean he was alive before the Horus Heresy? If he goes on to lead a 3rd founding Chapter, that makes him at least a thousand years old, and probably closer two thousand. While it's not unheard of (I think Commander Dante of the Blood Angels is several millenia old), I'd think it's exceedingly rare.

Hmm good point, originally I had it planned that the chapter would be founded after Jaghatais dissapearance but I can't find when exactly it happened in the Imperial timeline for a founding. I think that Dante is in the 900 range age wise and is deffinitly the oldest marine outside of Dreadnought armor. I guess all I have to do is change the date he became a WS.

Dante is over 1,100 years old, but BA are noted for their longer lifespan.

 

Anyway:

During the Horus Heresy, when the White Scars fought on scores of different worlds and their banners indicate that the Legion helped to defend Terra and fought at the gates of the Imperial Palace. Jaghatai Khan fought alongside his warriors for perhaps another 70 years before his eventual disappearance in a region of space close to the Maelstrom.

~ Index Astartes, White Scars

 

The 2nd Founding was in 021.M31, seven years after the Siege of the Emperor's Palace, the 3rd Founding was in 001.M32.

 

Relevant bits in the IA:

Without the Primarch, the tribes soon returned to their warring ways and within the space of a few years, the unified nation created by Jaghatai had ceased to exist. The tribes went back to the homelands and life carried on much as it had before the arrival of the Great Khan.

and

The Stormseers of the White Scars venture down into the steppes every ten summers to observe the tribes and their battles, picking the best and bravest warriors and returning them to Quan Zhou to become Space Marines.

 

The population hasen't reached a black powder level of technology but they have large cities, agriculture, organised armies etc but more advanced technology is restricted to them. The marines are free to move throughout the planet and enteract with the populous though they rarely interfere with their affairs. The provinces constantly war with eachother to increase the lands of their lords but every lord swears loyalty to the Chapter Master and the Emperor. When the provinces go to war the chaplains of the chapter observe the battles and take those they see potential in to be turned into scouts.

 

Now this is where it gets a little complicated, think of each company as a school that specializes in a particular training. The 1st and 10th company is the first school, here they will begin the process of becoming space marines. They'll recieve their first implants, begin the hypnotherapy and begin their training as scouts. Once they have reached a certain level they will move on to the 2nd school which is one of the 4 combat companies, as apart of this company they will finish their training as scouts by fighting off world and recieving their final implants. Once they have become actual marines they move on to the 3rd and final school, if they showed no particular talent in any specialisation then they will be sent to either the 6th or 7th company where they will train as a tactical marine or other such role, after they're ready they will return to their parent company with their training completed. If they showed skill at a particular type of combat then they will be sent to train at the relevant monastary. So if a scout who is apart of the 2nd company shows skill in mele then he will be sent to the 8th company to train as an assault marine, once his training there is complete he will return to the 2nd company and fight as apart of an assault squad. From this point a marine will either stay with his company for the rest of his life or should he reach significant rank will return to the company he trained under to act as a teacher for the next generation. Or if he is worthy will be chosen to join the 1st company. In this way every marine fills the role he is best suited for and each marine is trained by the most skilled of their number.

 

so in case that's to confusing (I know it's alot :geek:) it goes like this. Keep in mind that the 6th-9th companies also fight and it is in the fighting that they train the students.

Lol, it seems like you are confused as well, based on what you have said in the above paragraph:

 

Potential becomes scout and starts training under 1st company

Scout finishes training, while assigned to one of the 2nd-5th companies

Scout becomes marine and recieves specialised training in 6th-9th companies depending on his skills

Marine returns to his assigned combat company

Marine either stays apart of his company, is chosen to join the 1st company or joins the 6th-9th companies as a teacher.

:huh:

 

Otherwise, good ideas. :P

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

hmmm maori marines? have you got a linky?

 

ME

 

I'll try and find one it's been awhile since I was on here :lol:

 

The planet had once been under the controle of alien race who ruled the planet as feudal lords each with his own province, warriors and human slaves. When the White Scars took the planet from the aliens the human populous adapted the government of their former masters as it was all they knew. These provinces constantly war with eachother providing recruits for the chapter. The Chaplains of the chapter fashion their helmets to resemble the aliens and the oldest helmets are actually crafted from their skulls.

Why would Chaplains fashion their helmets to resemble despicable and wicked xenos?

Because 1. the aliens are apart of the history of the planet and the mythology of the chapter and 2. the aliens had a fearsome appearance which is translated into the helmet. It's really no differant then carrying say an Ork skull as a trophy.

 

So far so good - sounds like you have a clear theme in mind and it fits in well with the established universe (plus it's always good to see more Lions!). My only sticking point is Changqing - you say he becomes a White Scar after the Emperor's arrival; does that mean he was alive before the Horus Heresy? If he goes on to lead a 3rd founding Chapter, that makes him at least a thousand years old, and probably closer two thousand. While it's not unheard of (I think Commander Dante of the Blood Angels is several millenia old), I'd think it's exceedingly rare.

Hmm good point, originally I had it planned that the chapter would be founded after Jaghatais dissapearance but I can't find when exactly it happened in the Imperial timeline for a founding. I think that Dante is in the 900 range age wise and is deffinitly the oldest marine outside of Dreadnought armor. I guess all I have to do is change the date he became a WS.

Dante is over 1,100 years old, but BA are noted for their longer lifespan.

 

Anyway:

During the Horus Heresy, when the White Scars fought on scores of different worlds and their banners indicate that the Legion helped to defend Terra and fought at the gates of the Imperial Palace. Jaghatai Khan fought alongside his warriors for perhaps another 70 years before his eventual disappearance in a region of space close to the Maelstrom.

~ Index Astartes, White Scars

 

The 2nd Founding was in 021.M31, seven years after the Siege of the Emperor's Palace, the 3rd Founding was in 001.M32.

Well as I said I still have to tweak when the chapter was founded etc.

 

Relevant bits in the IA:

Without the Primarch, the tribes soon returned to their warring ways and within the space of a few years, the unified nation created by Jaghatai had ceased to exist. The tribes went back to the homelands and life carried on much as it had before the arrival of the Great Khan.

and

The Stormseers of the White Scars venture down into the steppes every ten summers to observe the tribes and their battles, picking the best and bravest warriors and returning them to Quan Zhou to become Space Marines.

I'm not sure how the first quotation is relevant to my chapter or its founder? The only thing I can think that is relevant in the 2nd quotation is what it says about recruiting but even at that just because the Storm Seers go to the steppes every 10 years dosen't mean they don't recruit from the cities.

 

The population hasen't reached a black powder level of technology but they have large cities, agriculture, organised armies etc but more advanced technology is restricted to them. The marines are free to move throughout the planet and enteract with the populous though they rarely interfere with their affairs. The provinces constantly war with eachother to increase the lands of their lords but every lord swears loyalty to the Chapter Master and the Emperor. When the provinces go to war the chaplains of the chapter observe the battles and take those they see potential in to be turned into scouts.

 

Now this is where it gets a little complicated, think of each company as a school that specializes in a particular training. The 1st and 10th company is the first school, here they will begin the process of becoming space marines. They'll recieve their first implants, begin the hypnotherapy and begin their training as scouts. Once they have reached a certain level they will move on to the 2nd school which is one of the 4 combat companies, as apart of this company they will finish their training as scouts by fighting off world and recieving their final implants. Once they have become actual marines they move on to the 3rd and final school, if they showed no particular talent in any specialisation then they will be sent to either the 6th or 7th company where they will train as a tactical marine or other such role, after they're ready they will return to their parent company with their training completed. If they showed skill at a particular type of combat then they will be sent to train at the relevant monastary. So if a scout who is apart of the 2nd company shows skill in mele then he will be sent to the 8th company to train as an assault marine, once his training there is complete he will return to the 2nd company and fight as apart of an assault squad. From this point a marine will either stay with his company for the rest of his life or should he reach significant rank will return to the company he trained under to act as a teacher for the next generation. Or if he is worthy will be chosen to join the 1st company. In this way every marine fills the role he is best suited for and each marine is trained by the most skilled of their number.

 

so in case that's to confusing (I know it's alot :D) it goes like this. Keep in mind that the 6th-9th companies also fight and it is in the fighting that they train the students.

Lol, it seems like you are confused as well, based on what you have said in the above paragraph:

 

Potential becomes scout and starts training under 1st company

Scout finishes training, while assigned to one of the 2nd-5th companies

Scout becomes marine and recieves specialised training in 6th-9th companies depending on his skills

Marine returns to his assigned combat company

Marine either stays apart of his company, is chosen to join the 1st company or joins the 6th-9th companies as a teacher.

;)

 

Otherwise, good ideas. :sweat:

Um the summery is exactly what I said in the paragraph just a simpler version so I'm not sure how I'm confused?

[NightrawenII]

Because 1. the aliens are apart of the history of the planet and the mythology of the chapter and 2. the aliens had a fearsome appearance which is translated into the helmet. It's really no differant then carrying say an Ork skull as a trophy.

In the society, which abhors anything alien?

The Chaplain's skull mask is mark/sign of devotion, not simple trophy.

 

Relevant bits in the IA:

Without the Primarch, the tribes soon returned to their warring ways and within the space of a few years, the unified nation created by Jaghatai had ceased to exist. The tribes went back to the homelands and life carried on much as it had before the arrival of the Great Khan.

and

The Stormseers of the White Scars venture down into the steppes every ten summers to observe the tribes and their battles, picking the best and bravest warriors and returning them to Quan Zhou to become Space Marines.

I'm not sure how the first quotation is relevant to my chapter or its founder? The only thing I can think that is relevant in the 2nd quotation is what it says about recruiting but even at that just because the Storm Seers go to the steppes every 10 years dosen't mean they don't recruit from the cities.

The part of "...The tribes went back to the homelands and life carried on much as it had before the arrival of the Great Khan."

 

Um the summery is exactly what I said in the paragraph just a simpler version so I'm not sure how I'm confused?

This:

"Potential finishes scout training and becomes marine assigned to one of the 2nd-5th companies"

semi-contradicts this:

"Once they have become actual marines they move on to the 3rd and final school..."

 

Yes, I'm nit-picking, but I'm that kind of man. :P

[Ecritter]

Yes, I'm nit-picking, but I'm that kind of man. ;)

 

Yes and he's very good at it. Its normally very helpful too.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Because 1. the aliens are apart of the history of the planet and the mythology of the chapter and 2. the aliens had a fearsome appearance which is translated into the helmet. It's really no differant then carrying say an Ork skull as a trophy.

In the society, which abhors anything alien?

The Chaplain's skull mask is mark/sign of devotion, not simple trophy.

Not a trophy to who? since every chapter has differant traditions and beliefs saying that a chaplains mask can't be a trophy isn't very accurate. And in a society where entire loyal chapters often have respect for certain alien species or have worked with and had peacefull enteractions with them a trophy skull that is a relic of the chapter that has been worked into a helmet isn't going to be an issue so I won't be changing it. Besides it isn't like they are emulating the aliens or supporting them, there are a number of examples of Space Marines honoring worthy opponents in ways like this. And the entire society does not abhor everything xenos, if they did then every army and every chapter would be like the WH and BT respectivly. And even at that, chapters are not a normal part of society.

 

Relevant bits in the IA:

Without the Primarch, the tribes soon returned to their warring ways and within the space of a few years, the unified nation created by Jaghatai had ceased to exist. The tribes went back to the homelands and life carried on much as it had before the arrival of the Great Khan.

and

The Stormseers of the White Scars venture down into the steppes every ten summers to observe the tribes and their battles, picking the best and bravest warriors and returning them to Quan Zhou to become Space Marines.

I'm not sure how the first quotation is relevant to my chapter or its founder? The only thing I can think that is relevant in the 2nd quotation is what it says about recruiting but even at that just because the Storm Seers go to the steppes every 10 years dosen't mean they don't recruit from the cities.

The part of "...The tribes went back to the homelands and life carried on much as it had before the arrival of the Great Khan."

Still has no real relevance, the cities where populated by non steppe peoples before Jaghatai took them and as he didn't destroy every city that means the cities where still populated by non steppe peoples after he left. It didn't matter that the steppe tribes went back to the old ways, a number of the cities and their inhabitants where still there.

 

Um the summery is exactly what I said in the paragraph just a simpler version so I'm not sure how I'm confused?

This:

"Potential finishes scout training and becomes marine assigned to one of the 2nd-5th companies"

semi-contradicts this:

"Once they have become actual marines they move on to the 3rd and final school..."

 

Yes, I'm nit-picking, but I'm that kind of man. :)

I hope you don't think this is rude but you're the one who is confused, within the chapter there is a differance between physically becoming a marine (which is in the period that they're assigned to the 2nd-5th company and recieve their final implants) and when they are considered an actual marine by the chapter (when they enter the 3rd school). I apologise if that wasen't made clear in the text :P

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Quick question.

 

What bit is this on the left?

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/4/20/212068_sm-.jpg

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And in a society where entire loyal chapters often have respect for certain alien species or have worked with and had peacefull enteractions with them a trophy skull that is a relic of the chapter that has been worked into a helmet isn't going to be an issue so I won't be changing it. Besides it isn't like they are emulating the aliens or supporting them, there are a number of examples of Space Marines honoring worthy opponents in ways like this.

Name one.

 

And the entire society does not abhor everything xenos, if they did then every army and every chapter would be like the WH and BT respectivly. And even at that, chapters are not a normal part of society.

Yeah, yeah.

 

CATECHISM OF THE XENO

To be Unclean That is the Mark of the Xenos

To be Impure That is the Mark of the Xenos

To be Abhorred That is the Mark of the Xenos

To be Reviled That is the Mark of the Xenos

To be Hunted That is the Mark of the Xenos

To be Purged That is the fate of the Xenos

To be Cleansed For that is the fate of all Xenos

~ Extract from the Third Book of Indoctrinations.

 

Repeat until remembered.

 

Still has no real relevance, the cities where populated by non steppe peoples before Jaghatai took them and as he didn't destroy every city that means the cities where still populated by non steppe peoples after he left. It didn't matter that the steppe tribes went back to the old ways, a number of the cities and their inhabitants where still there.

That's the relevance I'm talking about.

The culture before the Jaghatai went on his conquest is still here, Changqing doesn't need to be recruited in the times of legions.