Impactwinter Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Playing a game against guardsmen, my opponent insisted that holocaust would scatter since its a shooting attack; now the BRB seems to agree with this and thats how we ran it at the time,but i was wondering if its psychic power status negated that? what do you all think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Why wouldn't it not scatter ? G :sweat: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impactwinter Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 i guess because it didn't scatter as an assault-phase power in previous dex (or did it, and i was doing that wrong too?) also, slightly confusing double negative there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Why wouldn't it not scatter ? G Double negative? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impactwinter Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 yep, thats the culprit there; i reread the BRB, and it does seem clear that it scatters as a blast shooting attack; i guess that takes just a bit of the shine from holocaust; i went from a 19 hit blast to 5 hits on my paladins (no wounds taken at least). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Not a big fan of Holocaust. Should have scrapped it for something that would have made the Paladins more of a tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Templarius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Bleh, does it really scatter? That's terrible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Why wouldn't it not scatter ? G Double negative? Yeah, it says "Why would not it not scatter?". Not a big fan of Holocaust. Should have scrapped it for something that would have made the Paladins more of a tank. Agreed. Cleansing Flame would of been much cooler on the Paladins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Why wouldn't it not scatter ? G Double negative? Yeah, it says "Why would not it not scatter?". Not a big fan of Holocaust. Should have scrapped it for something that would have made the Paladins more of a tank. Agreed. Cleansing Flame would of been much cooler on the Paladins. Yeah, about that. Double negative does not make a positive in English. And I'll slap youwith my B.A in Lingustics if you disagree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoC Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Just pick 6 paladin squads as troops and deal with it. Large blast with reasonable large blast with good strength on 1 model is quite decent buy for just over 50 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangelCJ Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 i guess because it didn't scatter as an assault-phase power in previous dex (or did it, and i was doing that wrong too?)also, slightly confusing double negative there yeah... it didn't scatter in the last codex cos you used it by placing the blast marker in base contact with the caster. i like the old version better than the last.. allthopugh i guess there is far less chance of hurting you own guys this way, but the same goes for the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomaflatchi Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Bleh, does it really scatter? That's terrible. Wait... you get it for free, get a large blast with higher strength and a 12" range, it's assault, and everyone else can still fire their stormbolters? And this is something to complain about? I mean, unless you're firing at a squad of 2 with 4+ armor, it seems like a win all around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosPhoenix Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 If the whole unit is a psyker, are they really able to fire their weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKorpsman Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 The whole unit is 1 psyker, but one model is the focus, if you will, for targeting, perils, etc. Either a sergeant equivalent or random squad member depending on circumstances. If you are still in doubt though, this particular power specifically allows every other member of the unit to fire their weapons normally. Since this is the only ranged psychic shooting attack that GK squads can get. GW actually decided to make it clear for once that only one model is prevented from otherwise shooting. Small victories. As mentioned previously, I don't see the downside to this power scattering. Make sure you are a fair distance off and no worries. Though you still have the option to be a little reckless and use it prior to a charge if you wish. No guts, no glory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2731915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Bleh, does it really scatter? That's terrible. Wait... you get it for free, get a large blast with higher strength and a 12" range, it's assault, and everyone else can still fire their stormbolters? And this is something to complain about? I mean, unless you're firing at a squad of 2 with 4+ armor, it seems like a win all around. Some people... right ? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2732171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Templarius Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Yea, its probably fine. Hopefully I won't scatter onto myself though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2732187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impactwinter Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 scattering onto yourself isn't really the problem with 2+ termie saves and 2 wounds, its just that against huge squad sizes holocaust can be a great equalizer. I scattered from what would have been a 19 hit blast to just a couple on me... which i saved.. but it would have been glorious to land 9+ wounds on a guard platoon before I assaulted it for the kill. still gonna use it and not gonna complain anymore; but I will say I preferred it when it didn't scatter ; ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2732239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Cuthbert Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 i guess because it didn't scatter as an assault-phase power in previous dex (or did it, and i was doing that wrong too?)also, slightly confusing double negative there yeah... it didn't scatter in the last codex cos you used it by placing the blast marker in base contact with the caster. i like the old version better than the last.. allthopugh i guess there is far less chance of hurting you own guys this way, but the same goes for the enemy. Yes it did scatter in the last Codex per FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2732276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-captain Samuel Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Why wouldn't it not scatter ? G :( Double negative? Yeah, it says "Why would not it not scatter?". Yeah, about that. Double negative does not make a positive in English. And I'll slap youwith my B.A in Lingustics if you disagree. I disagree. now, where is this B.A. in linguistics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2732379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Why wouldn't it not scatter ? G :P Double negative? Yeah, it says "Why would not it not scatter?". Yeah, about that. Double negative does not make a positive in English. And I'll slap youwith my B.A in Lingustics if you disagree. I disagree. now, where is this B.A. in linguistics? Well, that is a bit hard to give to you, touché But it is all about the scope of the negation. The first negation has a scope of the entire clause, while the second negation only negates the head (word) of the noun phrase, in this case "scatter". So what he is saying is "Why is it not the case that the psychic power does not scatter?". Or rather, that is what generative grammar would have to say about it. If that wasn't the case, the point didn't come across. Hoho, see what I did there? ;) (I'm doing this as a joke, and really not trying to troll, honest. I like this boards too much to troll them) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2732507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 All them say that... http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee292/dblahag/My%20Space%20Marines/Green2.jpg ;) G :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227954-holocaust-does-it-scatter/#findComment-2732522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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