BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 A Paladin is only 15 more points than a terminator. Trim some fat off the rest of your list and you have one hell of a unit.... Terminators nothing special. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2734860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Draigo is a beast, so he's a worthwhile inclusion even just by himself. You do pay a premium, but it's very much worth it when you consider he brings everything a Grandmaster has, plus he's a combat character in his own right. The points gap quickly closes when you start upgrading a Grandmaster with rad grenades, halberd etc. As far as Paladin Troops go, I'm not so sold. They add up fast, and whilst they are better than regular Terminators, they scream Deathstar to the enemy. You won't be able to fit more than one or two squads into your army without major sacrifices, which is about how many Terminators you'd have anyway. Maybe if they are made to Outflank by Draigo, you'll see them live long enough to kill something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2734958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I very quickly skimmed through the replies, and I realized that most of the comments on Draigo involved him being a "beast", a beatstick in an army of beatsticks (not true, I think GKs aren't that overpowered in combat due to their high points), almost like a slightly better GM, worth playing himself etc. I personally, think he provides something that nothing in the book can provide - a T5 Eternal Warrior with a 3+ Invul and four wounds. The important part here is Eternal Warrior as by taking him in a squad of Paladins, you get around one of the bigger issues Paladins are plagued with, namely low AP, S8+ weapons. Or heck, anything with S8+ since you would, eventually, fluff that 2+ save. It doesn't matter if he dies from taking all those shots - it would take approximately 21.6 Meltagun shots at BS 4 to kill Draigo, but the same amount of Meltagun shots would murder eight Paladins instantly. Sure, you won't face 21.6 Meltaguns allocated all on him, but my point is, you take him to be a bullet catcher and to plug that singular survival weakness the Paladins have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gornall Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 This is my starting point for a Draigo list. Any feedback would be appreciated! http://meltaspam.blogspot.com/2011/04/new-...raigo-list.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I am going to use him with a Libby and Pals. Once you start blinging out a GM they get expensive real fast. Kaldor is a level 2 psyker which is a really nice perk on top of everything else he brings to the table. G :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadren Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I'm thinking Draigo, a Libby, 4 Pals w/ Brotherhood Banner and a Dreadnought in a Stormraven. Flat out across the table turn 1, cast Shrouding, and pray to make it through most of the opponents shooting phase. Even if it gets blown up you have a lot of hard hitting units on the other side of the table while your Strike Squads move up. It's a gamble, but when it pays off it pays off big. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 That's one sick posse you've got there! G :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I'm thinking Draigo, a Libby, 4 Pals w/ Brotherhood Banner and a Dreadnought in a Stormraven. Flat out across the table turn 1, cast Shrouding, and pray to make it through most of the opponents shooting phase. Even if it gets blown up you have a lot of hard hitting units on the other side of the table while your Strike Squads move up. It's a gamble, but when it pays off it pays off big. I'd drop the banner. You need those extra attacks, and with both driago, and a librarian you will have enough ID attacks and hammerhand/might of heroes attempts to boost their strength. Could always run it with an additional paladin and two psycannons in an LRC. Smoke and Shrouding is still at 3+, with AV 14 to boot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadren Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Land Raiders die fast in my local Meta. It's a Terminator Delivery System. The Stormraven is a bit cheaper and at least gets them across the table before getting dropped by massed fire, plus has the advantage of getting the Dread there as well. Squad goes one way, Dread goes another, attacks multiple targets at once.. Besides, my list is stretched for points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dylan Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 You will get more attack from the banner sense I believe it effects the IC's in the squad as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadren Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 You will get more attack from the banner sense I believe it effects the IC's in the squad as well. It does. Trading two power weapon attacks (three on the charge) for +1 power weapon attacks on five other models, plus the Banner bearer still gets regular attacks as well. Plus the IC's benefit from not having to make the checks for ID as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2735873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowThyEnemy Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 2k Draigo List Draigo 5 Pallies : Apoth, Psy/Sword, Psy/Halberd, Hammer, MC Falcions 5 Pallies: Psy/Sword, Psy/Halberd, Hammer, Sword, Halberd 5 Pallies: Psy/Sword, Psy/Halberd, Hammer, Sword, Halberd Stormraven Stormraven Land Raider Crusader Not a lot of bodies but good mobility, you can hold the ravens in reserve and bring them on quicker with Draigo, give the pallies re-roll 1's or counter attack and go get yourself stuck in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2736140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Been toying with this list for 2000 draigo libby with stuffs eversor/vindicare 10 paladins 4 psycannon, halbards, 2 hammers psy bolts 2 falchions 5 paladins 2 psycannon, halbards hammer dreadknight heavy incinerator, great sword and personal teleporter. dreadnight heavy incinerator/heavy psycannon or plain depending on other equips I'd like to try out the eversor, even though I'm sure the vindicare would be a better choice. while foot slogging, can deep strike some or all of the army via skulls from the lib, or deploy using scout and the dreadnight storming towards the enemy might allow my troops to get close enough... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2736643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galadren Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 This is my latest 2,000 pt list that I'll be play testing this coming weekend: Draigo Librarian w/ 4 powers (Might of Titan, Sanctuary, Warp Rift, The Shrouding) 4 Paladins (1 Banner, 2 Halberds, 1 Hammer) Vindicare Assasin Dreadnought (Multimelta, Heavy Flamer, Psyflame ammo) 3x Strike Squads (2 Psycannons, Rhinos) Stormraven Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2736728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Knight Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Hi guys I'm new to the forum but have been playing GK for what seems like countless editions (who said I could count up to 2 :lol: ) So here's my Draigo List, it's competitive for the LGS scene but I wouldn't take it to a ToS instead go with Draigo and a squad of Pallies in a Crowe Purifier spam list Draigo -275 Librarian- 250 Mastery Level 3 (Might, Quicksilver, Summoning), Master crafted sword, Brain Mines, Digi weapons & Teleport Homer (or 3 skulls depending on which way the FAQ goes on summoning) Vindicare -145 Paladin Squad 1 1) Falchions 2) Apothecary w/ halberd 3) Banner 4) Incinerator w/ sword 5) Incinerator w/ halberd Paladin Squad 2 1) Halberd 2) Apothecary w/ Warding Stave 3) Banner 4) Psycannon w/ Halberd 5) Psilencer w/ Halberd Paladin Squad 3 1) Hammer 2) Apothecary w/ Hammer 3) Halberd 4)Psycannon w/ Halberd 5) Psycannon w/ Hammer Dreadnought -120 MM, Warp stabiliser wheels (numbers within squad represent different pallies) SO Sqaud 1 is anti horde with Libby in, Draigo goes in Squad 2 that's for MEQ with the psycannon either for rhino busting or marine busting, and sqaud 3 will be mid table anti tank with the dread deepstriking next to something juicy when it needs to with psychic communion and the vindicare at the edge of my deployment zone taking care of those pesky invul saves on elites/hq's or the occasional 1+ AV14 list like double raider marines what do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2737828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Hi guys I'm new to the forum but have been playing GK for what seems like countless editions (who said I could count up to 2 ;) )So here's my Draigo List, it's competitive for the LGS scene but I wouldn't take it to a ToS instead go with Draigo and a squad of Pallies in a Crowe Purifier spam list Draigo -275 Librarian- 250 Mastery Level 3 (Might, Quicksilver, Summoning), Master crafted sword, Brain Mines, Digi weapons & Teleport Homer (or 3 skulls depending on which way the FAQ goes on summoning) Vindicare -145 Paladin Squad 1 1) Falchions 2) Apothecary w/ halberd 3) Banner 4) Incinerator w/ sword 5) Incinerator w/ halberd Paladin Squad 2 1) Halberd 2) Apothecary w/ Warding Stave 3) Banner 4) Psycannon w/ Halberd 5) Psilencer w/ Halberd Paladin Squad 3 1) Hammer 2) Apothecary w/ Hammer 3) Halberd 4)Psycannon w/ Halberd 5) Psycannon w/ Hammer Dreadnought -120 MM, Warp stabiliser wheels (numbers within squad represent different pallies) SO Sqaud 1 is anti horde with Libby in, Draigo goes in Squad 2 that's for MEQ with the psycannon either for rhino busting or marine busting, and sqaud 3 will be mid table anti tank with the dread deepstriking next to something juicy when it needs to with psychic communion and the vindicare at the edge of my deployment zone taking care of those pesky invul saves on elites/hq's or the occasional 1+ AV14 list like double raider marines what do you guys think? Honestly the apothecary is a really pointless upgrade. If you dropped an apoyhecary, and banner from each unit you would have enough points for PT DreadKnight with Greatsword and Heavy Incinerator as well as more psycannons. If you are trying to be at least semicompetetive with a paladin list two psycannons for every five is a must. Also, Mastery level 3 will rarely if ever be worth it, certainly not worth the upgrade cost IMO. Dropping it and the staves would nearly net you enough for a Psyrifleman dred. Also, run one as a ten man squad, allows you to effectm more units with The Grand Srategy as well as grant tactical flexibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2737887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 My 2k list is as follows Driago 3 x 5 *one ten man psy daemonhammer Psy falshions Falshions Sword Halberd 2 x PT GS HI DK PT HI DK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2737893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoC Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Best thing paladins does is 1 model unit with holocaust for large blast blast (and big squad that goes with draigo and is immune to S8 AP1 weapons). Rest of the army should be tough targets (dreads? dreadknights ? land riders ?). If you can manage to buy librarian, he works well with second big paladin unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2737905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Also, run one as a ten man squad, allows you to effectm more units with The Grand Srategy as well as grant tactical flexibility. That's exactly how I conceive the "Draigo/Paladin death star" list: a unit of 10 paladins and the remaining points allocated to other units. I thought about this set up. Draigo Ordo Xeno Inquisitor with rad/psychotroke grenades 10 Paladins squad with 4 MC Psycannons. Every model with different equipement. FNP really saves this unit from sustained light fire (about S4). Every time I used a Paladin unit, even though I never tried a 10 men unit due to points limit issues, FNP saved many wounds. Just a notice for everyone interested in playing this unit: This death star unit will be a shocking sight for your opponent but every lost model will have a negative impact on your strategy. You can give S8/9 wounds to Draigo but you will fail some 3++ save and when you he has only a wound left your strategy is came to an end. Beside you risk to lose it in CC giving your opponent a huge morale boost. That's only my opinion. I'll be very glad ff any of you can make this set up efficient. I'm very interesting in playing a competitive Draigo/Paladin list, especially for "story" reasons. The chapter's greater hero fighting alonsing these "Spartan-like" (I'm refering to Halo series :D ) soldiers. However I fear the very limited number of models can make this lists not very competitive.... I hope to be wrong... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2738954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Well having played with logan wing and won more then I have lost, I see a challenge when considering a draigo wing. slightly less models then my current logan wing, no drop pods or combi melta's, but I6 on most of the termies, more wounds and tons of str 7 assault cannons... Small elite armies are great fun, nothing like being outnumbered yet taking out everything in your way, bad luck does suck loads (lost arjac and his 4 drop pod termies to a squad of damn termigants in 1 round of shooting, not a happy bunny). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2738992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Templarius Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 In the 2v2 game I am playing right now(well, not RIGHT now, our table is sitting and waiting for us to pick it back up), my Draigostar is about to march through the entire eldar's flank troops with nary a dedicated CC in sight. Wraithguard, guardians, swooping hawks, wraithlord... I doubt anything will hurt me with Draigo, Lib, 3 paladins + Apoth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2739072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowThyEnemy Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 what about this: Draigo Vindicare 10 Paladins : 4 x MC Psycannons, Banner, Apoth, 2 x Hammer, Halberd, Sword 10 Strike : Rhino, 2 x Psycannon, Psybolts 10 Strike : Rhino, 2 x Psycannon, Psybolts Dreadnought : 2 x twin-autocannons, Psybolts Dreadnought : 2 x twin-autocannons, Psybolts Id say thats a pretty beefy deathstar with a good amount of AT and fire suppression. Plus the 2 rhinos for some mobility Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2739131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I'm really starting to like the sound of using Draigo and using a 10 man Pally unit. Then using normal Strikes/Dreads/Etc for the rest of my army. Hmmm. Must think about this. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2739137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Templarius Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 what about this: Draigo Vindicare 10 Paladins : 4 x MC Psycannons, Banner, Apoth, 2 x Hammer, Halberd, Sword 10 Strike : Rhino, 2 x Psycannon, Psybolts 10 Strike : Rhino, 2 x Psycannon, Psybolts Dreadnought : 2 x twin-autocannons, Psybolts Dreadnought : 2 x twin-autocannons, Psybolts Id say thats a pretty beefy deathstar with a good amount of AT and fire suppression. Plus the 2 rhinos for some mobility This is actually quite similar to what I am running in my 1750 list, other than I have a 4 man paladin unit with Draigo and a Lib in a LRR. Also a variant with a dreadknight and Psyrifle opposed to 2 psyrifles, depends on what race I am playing. Vindicare is great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2739158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 My 2k list is as follows Driago 3 x 5 *one ten man psy daemonhammer Psy falshions Falshions Sword Halberd 2 x PT GS HI DK PT HI DK Oh, I should mention that my army is 11-1-1 currently. Some of those games were against some Ard Boyz potentials lists. Only loss came at 1500pts agaisnt Coteaz Jokero, Psyker Spam list and some horrendous rolling. Proceeded to rematch it at 2k and wiped it Turn5. Draw came agaisnt a 2.5k Calgar 2xVindicator, 2x MM Venerable Dread, Assault Termie, 2 LR list. Ended T5 as a draw and I would have won likely wiped him T6 had there been one. Most people cannot bring enough S8+ APP2- firepower to do enough damage Fast enough. It takes 33 BS4 melta shots to take down 3 DreadKnights. And 113 BS4 melta shots to wipe my 2500pt army. That is assuming no cover or shrouding from my Librarian. Its hard to find that kind of S8+AP2- firepower outside of some guard lists. This army isn't going to win any big tournament, but don't underestimate it. Most people just can't bring enough firepower to bear to take it reliably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228165-competitive-draigo/page/2/#findComment-2739319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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