c-wrex Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share Posted April 24, 2011 I suppose an extension of what I initially meant with the thread is if we, the Grey Knights, are the single most elite and mighty chapter in the entire Imperium, why don't we have all the gear regular marines have access to, and in superior quality. Now, as a player, I completely understand why we don't. It would kind of be cherry picking the most awesome gear from all the Imperial codices, and none of the downsides. That would really be pretty bogus, and absolutely no fun to play against. But from a fluff view... it just kinda irks me to have Ward come out and talk about our sweet gear and how stupid-badass we are, and then ignore stuff for our army list that would be truly fitting. I mean, Paladins are super knights, shouldn't they get storm shields? (The answer of course, from a playing perspective, is no. 2 wound terminators with ws5 and a 2+/3+ save? Broken, my friends.) Again, I get why we don't have certain wargear on the tabletop, but I wish the dex would reflect that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228226-artificer-armor-query/page/2/#findComment-2735591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I disagree. Our internal balance is rubbish. Terminators are outclassed in virtually every instance by thier Strike Squad fellows. Crowe is so rubbish it's painful to use him. Halberds are so much better than the other NFW choices its staggering. Paladin and Purifiers outshine thier respecitive base types. Etc. And this doesn't take the fluff into account. :) Don't get me wrong, the GK dex is good, and fun. And I won't be swapping Dexs now I've finally got my dex and plastic troops. :blink: But we shoudn't confuse overall composition with good fluff/rules balance. Have you actualy used Paladins in a game? They are far too costly and in many ways almost useless, especialy in smaller games. Standard GKT are much better as they are cheaper and do the same job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228226-artificer-armor-query/page/2/#findComment-2735609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Yes. I used a 10 man squad versus a dual WWP Deldar list and a TH/SS Nilla Marine list. In both cases they were the linchpin of my army, ultra durable, puting out silly amounts of damage with 4 MC relentless Psycannons and I6 Force Wepaons. Both my opponents exclaimed how unfun they were to face. In no way do Termies compare to them, when Temies are outclassed by an equal amount of points in Strikes. Unless you face a 3 Dark Reaper or 15 ML Longfang opponent I suppose... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228226-artificer-armor-query/page/2/#findComment-2735615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Yes. I used a 10 man squad versus a dual WWP Deldar list and a TH/SS Nilla Marine list. In both cases they were the linchpin of my army, ultra durable, puting out silly amounts of damage with 4 MC relentless Psycannons and I6 Force Wepaons. Both my opponents exclaimed how unfun they were to face. In no way do Termies compare to them, when Temies are outclassed by an equal amount of points in Strikes. Unless you face a 3 Dark Reaper or 15 ML Longfang opponent I suppose... Guess this is one of those moments where we have to agree to disagree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228226-artificer-armor-query/page/2/#findComment-2735635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarn Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 What would 15ML LF even do to normal termies anyway? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228226-artificer-armor-query/page/2/#findComment-2735672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Melt Strike squads not in transports/cover. While Terminators would still get a save... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228226-artificer-armor-query/page/2/#findComment-2735968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 What would 15ML LF even do to normal termies anyway? Kill 1-2 terminators every turn, regardless of whether they're normal Termies or Paladins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228226-artificer-armor-query/page/2/#findComment-2736328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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