MaveriK Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 If Magnus was smart, while he was besieging the Fang, in those 40 sum days... he should have wiped out the native population, therefore ending the Space Wolves altogether for good. At least that what I would have done! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2792560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Thousand Sons win a battle but lose the war IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2792563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I can't wait until everyone has read this book! just so we can all talk about how awesome it is openly. Are we ready to talk openly about it yet? I am dying to hear the discussions. haha ---- Anyway did anyone notice this? ‘You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I’m not the same as I was, and you’re... well, let us not mention where you are now.’ - Magnus the Red. Seems like he knows or has an idea of where Russ is....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvitrValdyr Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I can't wait until everyone has read this book! just so we can all talk about how awesome it is openly. Are we ready to talk openly about it yet? I am dying to hear the discussions. haha ---- Anyway did anyone notice this? ‘You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I’m not the same as I was, and you’re... well, let us not mention where you are now.’ - Magnus the Red. Seems like he knows or has an idea of where Russ is....... Yeah, I was falling asleep reading (it was the wee hours) and I got to that part and it woke me right up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 not only knows, but also proves russ was still alive then! it's still a big leap to say he therefor must still be alive "now" but still! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I can't wait until everyone has read this book! just so we can all talk about how awesome it is openly. Are we ready to talk openly about it yet? I am dying to hear the discussions. haha ---- Anyway did anyone notice this? ‘You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I’m not the same as I was, and you’re... well, let us not mention where you are now.’ - Magnus the Red. Seems like he knows or has an idea of where Russ is....... I am terrified on what has happened. I just hope he is kicking some kind warp infested butt. If Magnus was smart, while he was besieging the Fang, in those 40 sum days... he should have wiped out the native population, therefore ending the Space Wolves altogether for good. At least that what I would have done! But that was not his mission. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 how can you doubt that lord rags! offcourse leman russ is still alive and kicking! why else would he still be speaking to our runepriests in their sleep? besides, can you think of any creature both in this universe or the warp tainted eye that could best the mighty leman of the russ himself?surely, if such beast were to exist it would have destroyed half the imperium by now already! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 how can you doubt that lord rags! offcourse leman russ is still alive and kicking! why else would he still be speaking to our runepriests in their sleep? besides, can you think of any creature both in this universe or the warp tainted eye that could best the mighty leman of the russ himself?surely, if such beast were to exist it would have destroyed half the imperium by now already! It's how It is stated. It is not stated in favorable manner. It is stated with foreboding. I always believed Russ was alive, he can't come back for the Wolftime if he is dead. -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 If Magnus was smart, while he was besieging the Fang, in those 40 sum days... he should have wiped out the native population, therefore ending the Space Wolves altogether for good. At least that what I would have done! But that was not his mission. true, but why halt the Sons of Russ project, when you can just end it altogether by cutting off and killing every fenrisian aka the Space Wolves main supply of initiates. I'm just gonna go with Magnus was just to narrow minded that his tunnel vision of revenge failed him to see the bigger picture of genocide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 If Magnus was smart, while he was besieging the Fang, in those 40 sum days... he should have wiped out the native population, therefore ending the Space Wolves altogether for good. At least that what I would have done! But that was not his mission. true, but why halt the Sons of Russ project, when you can just end it altogether by cutting off and killing every fenrisian aka the Space Wolves main supply of initiates. Perhaps, solving the history of the Canis Helix would also allow them to easily recruit non Fenrisians. Not that I've heard Fenrisians are the only folks who can be recruited. I think it is a SW preference. There are plenty of hardy-folk in the backwaters of the Imperium. Kill the brains behind the fix, and there will be no fix, especially when you also destroy the much required arcane equipment. I'm just gonna go with Magnus was just to narrow minded that his tunnel vision of revenge failed him to see the bigger picture of genocide. They didn't have time for all that. Destroying the Fang and all the remaining wolves would help with the Tsons revenge, and killing the efforts of stopping the non cursed Helix solved Magnus' issues(and his master no doubt) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 If Magnus was smart, while he was besieging the Fang, in those 40 sum days... he should have wiped out the native population, therefore ending the Space Wolves altogether for good. At least that what I would have done! But that was not his mission. true, but why halt the Sons of Russ project, when you can just end it altogether by cutting off and killing every fenrisian aka the Space Wolves main supply of initiates. I'm just gonna go with Magnus was just to narrow minded that his tunnel vision of revenge failed him to see the bigger picture of genocide. I think it has more with him wanting the Wolves to "suffer" because they would never become more now. Some had such grand plans but now they would live knowing that they will probably never be more or greater than they are at the present. For some it would be a fate worse than death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 aargh, these spoilers so make me want to start reading battle of the fang instead of having it sit next to my alarm . and that while i'm not even done with reading prospero burns yet because of all the studying i'm doing! curse you rags and mav! :lol: on a more serious note: no wonder magnus decided to stay away from the fenrisian population. after having eyewitnessed what a man born on fenris can do to his cursed sons he obviously had no intention to find out what a woman born on fenris would do to him! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I guess the catacombs and altar? (its been years since I read the Ragnar series, so my memory isnt on par) can be explained from the Ragnar series! with Madox and how the Thousand Sons were able to have a presence in Fenris, undetected for so many years after the first battle of the Fang. kinda like a sleeper agent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvitrValdyr Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I want to know how you sons (and daughter) of Russ feel about the Tempering, aka the Sons of Russ project. It sounds like a great idea, yet Bjorn says he would have stopped it had he known about it. Do you think he said that because he was concerned it was not how Russ wanted things? Was he concerned that it would corrupt the geneseed and cause untold devastation? What is wrong about having multiple Sons of Russ protecting the Imperium from the denizons of the Eye? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I want to know how you sons (and daughter) of Russ feel about the Tempering, aka the Sons of Russ project. It sounds like a great idea, yet Bjorn says he would have stopped it had he known about it. Do you think he said that because he was concerned it was not how Russ wanted things? Was he concerned that it would corrupt the geneseed and cause untold devastation? What is wrong about having multiple Sons of Russ protecting the Imperium from the denizons of the Eye? I just don't think he would like his legacy being "tweaked". Also there is the sentiment of "keep the danger close". By conquering the wolf within and tapping into the power when needed, it makes SW's that much stronger. Eliminating the "danger" weakens the SW's. "What does not kill you makes you stronger". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I want to know how you sons (and daughter) of Russ feel about the Tempering, aka the Sons of Russ project. It sounds like a great idea, yet Bjorn says he would have stopped it had he known about it. Do you think he said that because he was concerned it was not how Russ wanted things? Was he concerned that it would corrupt the geneseed and cause untold devastation? What is wrong about having multiple Sons of Russ protecting the Imperium from the denizons of the Eye? I just don't think he would like his legacy being "tweaked". Also there is the sentiment of "keep the danger close". By conquering the wolf within and tapping into the power when needed, it makes SW's that much stronger. Eliminating the "danger" weakens the SW's. "What does not kill you makes you stronger". agreed with Lord Rags :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2794959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I can't wait until everyone has read this book! just so we can all talk about how awesome it is openly. Are we ready to talk openly about it yet? I am dying to hear the discussions. haha ---- Anyway did anyone notice this? ‘You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I’m not the same as I was, and you’re... well, let us not mention where you are now.’ - Magnus the Red. Seems like he knows or has an idea of where Russ is....... Also, 2 of the Thousand Sons sorcerers make cryptic references to Russ's whereabouts ...i was so angry with that tease. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2795069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Anyone else also notice the reference at the end to the number of Space Wolves? That number given represents one Great Company at severely reduced strength (the 12th) but not sure if it represented those left behind to finish up the little surprise Magnus left on the other planet. Gives us a solid, post heresey, post Russ, post Wolf Brothers number. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2795710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I almost want to ask all the different Space Wolf writers about Russ, nothing concrete, canon or official on where they think, or would like to think, more theory than practice, in what and where Russ is today. It would be interesting to see what each author has to say... Anyway, I'm starting to looking forward in future SW books and battle books. Mainly the first battle of Armageddon, I'd love someone to focus on a young Ulrik. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2795730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I almost want to ask all the different Space Wolf writers about Russ, nothing concrete, canon or official on where they think, or would like to think, more theory than practice, in what and where Russ is today. It would be interesting to see what each author has to say... Anyway, I'm starting to looking forward in future SW books and battle books. Mainly the first battle of Armageddon, I'd love someone to focus on a young Ulrik. And if they can get the Logan/Ulric discrepency cleared up in such a book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2795746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I almost want to ask all the different Space Wolf writers about Russ, nothing concrete, canon or official on where they think, or would like to think, more theory than practice, in what and where Russ is today. It would be interesting to see what each author has to say... Anyway, I'm starting to looking forward in future SW books and battle books. Mainly the first battle of Armageddon, I'd love someone to focus on a young Ulrik. And if they can get the Logan/Ulric discrepency cleared up in such a book. don't forget Ragnar's Ranek and Ulrik issue..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2795751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I almost want to ask all the different Space Wolf writers about Russ, nothing concrete, canon or official on where they think, or would like to think, more theory than practice, in what and where Russ is today. It would be interesting to see what each author has to say... Anyway, I'm starting to looking forward in future SW books and battle books. Mainly the first battle of Armageddon, I'd love someone to focus on a young Ulrik. And if they can get the Logan/Ulric discrepency cleared up in such a book. don't forget Ragnar's Ranek and Ulrik issue..... What a tangled web they weave :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2795761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Is this the Space Wolves' Pentagon Papers? :) I have this in my NOOK and have not started it yet. Do you know how hard it is NOT to read the black lines?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2795770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Anyone else also notice the reference at the end to the number of Space Wolves? That number given represents one Great Company at severely reduced strength (the 12th) but not sure if it represented those left behind to finish up the little surprise Magnus left on the other planet. Gives us a solid, post heresey, post Russ, post Wolf Brothers number. I don't remember this. What is the page/info. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2796191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Anyone else also notice the reference at the end to the number of Space Wolves? That number given represents one Great Company at severely reduced strength (the 12th) but not sure if it represented those left behind to finish up the little surprise Magnus left on the other planet. Gives us a solid, post heresey, post Russ, post Wolf Brothers number. I don't remember this. What is the page/info. It is at the end when the new wolf lord crys out the war cry and it says he is answered by 2000 Vlka Fenryka. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228340-battle-of-the-fang/page/3/#findComment-2796318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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