Battle of the Fang

[Jonas Stromclaw]

I want to know how you sons (and daughter) of Russ feel about the Tempering, aka the Sons of Russ project. It sounds like a great idea, yet Bjorn says he would have stopped it had he known about it. Do you think he said that because he was concerned it was not how Russ wanted things? Was he concerned that it would corrupt the geneseed and cause untold devastation? What is wrong about having multiple Sons of Russ protecting the Imperium from the denizons of the Eye?

 

 

I just don't think he would like his legacy being "tweaked". Also there is the sentiment of "keep the danger close". By conquering the wolf within and tapping into the power when needed, it makes SW's that much stronger. Eliminating the "danger" weakens the SW's. "What does not kill you makes you stronger".

 

agreed with Lord Rags :tu:

Agree, to a point.

Rather than just try to fix the Space Wolves, I'd be looking for why it works on Fenrisians but not anyone else. If its genetic to the human populace (Unlikely, as the Legion was originally raised from Terra), transfer Fenrisians to new worlds. If it has to do with the mentality, that only death worlders are tough enough for the Canis Helix, found Chapters on death worlds. If a little tweaking of the geneseed might help, run the tests. The Sons of Russ may only be a single Chapter, but they have ten millenia of geneseed stores that have not been used up in other Foundings. If a way can be found to successfully create more Chapters from the Wolves, it should be used. Wyrmblade's dream of a kingdom in Russ's image, of a leaguer of Wolves around the Eye, is a worthy goal. That being said, it must not come at the cost of ruining or corrupting Russ's legacy. Do what can be done to achieve it, short of turning us all into Wulfen, or worse, Ultrasmurfs.

 

[Chris Wraight]

Been away from my desk for a few days, so just stumbled across this thread. Thanks to everyone for commenting. :tu: Just a few quick responses...

 

Read it in one sitting. Will be reading it again. I liked the book, but liked Prospero Burns much, much more. Here is my main problem with this book; The characters are so shallow in depth.

 

Thanks for the feedback, BR, though I'm sorry the characters didn't do much for you. Battle of the Fang was a complicated project with a lot of named characters in it, which did make it hard to give any individual much screentime, so I can see what you mean. I could have used fewer characters, but, given the nature of the story, I wanted to show the whole Chapter in action (from Blood Claw right up to Great Wolf). In my planning for the book, I decided that the story should be about the Space Wolves *as a whole* - their destiny, and their place in 40K. Some readers seem to have enjoyed that broad perspective; others, like you, wanted more depth from the protagonists. You pays your money, etc. etc.

 

One thing I will say is that Battle of the Fang and Prospero Burns are very different books, with quite different objectives. I agree with you that the characterisation and depth in PB is fantastic, exactly befitting a Heresy novel. The Space Marine Battles series, AIUI, is meant to be a bit more action-packed - more of summer blockbuster (as I think ADB described it) than space opera.

 

Just surprised there was a woman in the story! sweet, major props to Chris on that one haha

 

It's fair to say that BL books, as with a lot of SF writing, have a pretty poor track record in writing female characters. The hobby is very male dominated, and until recently the BL writers have been almost exclusively guys. I hope the situation's getting a little better at the moment - think of characters like Euphrati Keeler and Octavia in 40K and Ulrika in Fantasy. In addition, authors like Nik Vincent and Sarah Cawkwell have written stories in both universes, which goes a tiny way towards redressing the male imbalance.

 

as a Wolf player, it has turned my idea of the First Siege of the Fang from a victory to a defeat, a prychic win for the Thousand Sons, but a victory for them after all. this bothers me as it breaks a idea i have long held for the Wolves, and while change isnt always bad, it changed more than i was comfortable with.

 

I did think long and hard about that aspect of things. I agree that the battle was written about in the past as a pretty straightforward victory for the Wolves. That (as well as many others things about the storyline) didn't really work for me. 40K is a very compromised place - there are rarely any complete victories. It also didn't sit well with my take on Magnus and the Thousand Sons, who are serious and subtle players in the galactic game. There had to be a better reason for them to expend so much energy and risk almost complete destruction than just 'revenge'. They are, after all, deeply entwined in the schemes of the Changer of Ways, and everything they do is bound up in plans within plans.

 

That said,

the battle *is* a victory for the Wolves. They defend the Fang so furiously that Magnus runs out of time and has to retreat in disarray. The Wolves inflict such terrible casualties on the Thousand Sons that they never launch a comparable strike ever again. A Primarch leads most of his Legion against a citadel manned by a single Great Company of defenders - and fails to take it. Whatever else might have happened, that's still an astonishing achievement, and something the SWs are rightly going to see as one of their finest hours.

 

[wookieman]

Chris, finished the book and i loved it.

 

There are some cryptic references about the fate of Leman Russ in the book, can you tell us if you had something specific in mind when you wrote this?

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

Chris, finished the book and i loved it.

 

There are some cryptic references about the fate of Leman Russ in the book, can you tell us if you had something specific in mind when you wrote this?

 

Agree, be nice to get some more insight on this :P

 

IP

[MaveriK]

the battle *is* a victory for the Wolves. They defend the Fang so furiously that Magnus runs out of time and has to retreat in disarray. The Wolves inflict such terrible casualties on the Thousand Sons that they never launch a comparable strike ever again. A Primarch leads most of his Legion against a citadel manned by a single Great Company of defenders - and fails to take it. Whatever else might have happened, that's still an astonishing achievement, and something the SWs are rightly going to see as one of their finest hours.

well said brother! spoken like a true wolf-at heart! you deserve an ale for Russ! for Fenris! alright lads, lets jump him! only to get him to tell us where he thinks our Wolf King is ;) :)

[Lord Ragnarok]

Been away from my desk for a few days, so just stumbled across this thread. Thanks to everyone for commenting. :) Just a few quick responses...

 

Read it in one sitting. Will be reading it again. I liked the book, but liked Prospero Burns much, much more. Here is my main problem with this book; The characters are so shallow in depth.

 

Thanks for the feedback, BR, though I'm sorry the characters didn't do much for you. Battle of the Fang was a complicated project with a lot of named characters in it, which did make it hard to give any individual much screentime, so I can see what you mean. I could have used fewer characters, but, given the nature of the story, I wanted to show the whole Chapter in action (from Blood Claw right up to Great Wolf). In my planning for the book, I decided that the story should be about the Space Wolves *as a whole* - their destiny, and their place in 40K. Some readers seem to have enjoyed that broad perspective; others, like you, wanted more depth from the protagonists. You pays your money, etc. etc.

 

One thing I will say is that Battle of the Fang and Prospero Burns are very different books, with quite different objectives. I agree with you that the characterisation and depth in PB is fantastic, exactly befitting a Heresy novel. The Space Marine Battles series, AIUI, is meant to be a bit more action-packed - more of summer blockbuster (as I think ADB described it) than space opera.

 

Just surprised there was a woman in the story! sweet, major props to Chris on that one haha

 

It's fair to say that BL books, as with a lot of SF writing, have a pretty poor track record in writing female characters. The hobby is very male dominated, and until recently the BL writers have been almost exclusively guys. I hope the situation's getting a little better at the moment - think of characters like Euphrati Keeler and Octavia in 40K and Ulrika in Fantasy. In addition, authors like Nik Vincent and Sarah Cawkwell have written stories in both universes, which goes a tiny way towards redressing the male imbalance.

 

as a Wolf player, it has turned my idea of the First Siege of the Fang from a victory to a defeat, a prychic win for the Thousand Sons, but a victory for them after all. this bothers me as it breaks a idea i have long held for the Wolves, and while change isnt always bad, it changed more than i was comfortable with.

 

I did think long and hard about that aspect of things. I agree that the battle was written about in the past as a pretty straightforward victory for the Wolves. That (as well as many others things about the storyline) didn't really work for me. 40K is a very compromised place - there are rarely any complete victories. It also didn't sit well with my take on Magnus and the Thousand Sons, who are serious and subtle players in the galactic game. There had to be a better reason for them to expend so much energy and risk almost complete destruction than just 'revenge'. They are, after all, deeply entwined in the schemes of the Changer of Ways, and everything they do is bound up in plans within plans.

 

That said,

the battle *is* a victory for the Wolves. They defend the Fang so furiously that Magnus runs out of time and has to retreat in disarray. The Wolves inflict such terrible casualties on the Thousand Sons that they never launch a comparable strike ever again. A Primarch leads most of his Legion against a citadel manned by a single Great Company of defenders - and fails to take it. Whatever else might have happened, that's still an astonishing achievement, and something the SWs are rightly going to see as one of their finest hours.

 

 

Wait a minute....

For some SW's losing the secrets to stabilizing the Canis Helix is not much of a lost. Remember Bjorn said he would have destroyed the efforts himself had he known(I think he said that). So for many, this is pure Win.

 

[Lord Ragnarok]

I want to know how you sons (and daughter) of Russ feel about the Tempering, aka the Sons of Russ project. It sounds like a great idea, yet Bjorn says he would have stopped it had he known about it. Do you think he said that because he was concerned it was not how Russ wanted things? Was he concerned that it would corrupt the geneseed and cause untold devastation? What is wrong about having multiple Sons of Russ protecting the Imperium from the denizons of the Eye?

 

 

I just don't think he would like his legacy being "tweaked". Also there is the sentiment of "keep the danger close". By conquering the wolf within and tapping into the power when needed, it makes SW's that much stronger. Eliminating the "danger" weakens the SW's. "What does not kill you makes you stronger".

 

agreed with Lord Rags :)

Agree, to a point.

Rather than just try to fix the Space Wolves, I'd be looking for why it works on Fenrisians but not anyone else. If its genetic to the human populace (Unlikely, as the Legion was originally raised from Terra), transfer Fenrisians to new worlds. If it has to do with the mentality, that only death worlders are tough enough for the Canis Helix, found Chapters on death worlds. If a little tweaking of the geneseed might help, run the tests. The Sons of Russ may only be a single Chapter, but they have ten millenia of geneseed stores that have not been used up in other Foundings. If a way can be found to successfully create more Chapters from the Wolves, it should be used. Wyrmblade's dream of a kingdom in Russ's image, of a leaguer of Wolves around the Eye, is a worthy goal. That being said, it must not come at the cost of ruining or corrupting Russ's legacy. Do what can be done to achieve it, short of turning us all into Wulfen, or worse, Ultrasmurfs.

 

 

 

I'm not doubting Wrymblade's philosphy. I'm doubting that his brothers were in agreement and doubting Russ would be in agreement for those reasons. Only Wyrmblade and Greyloc seemed to be on the same page on this. Others were highly suspicious and some seem to deem it outright heretical.

 

 

 

Chris, Any chance if this is successful you will do more SW books? We seem to be without a "pet" author like Graham and ADB are for Ultras/Nightlords.

[MaveriK]

*cough* The First Armageddon War * cough*

[maverik_girl]

Just surprised there was a woman in the story! sweet, major props to Chris on that one haha

 

It's fair to say that BL books, as with a lot of SF writing, have a pretty poor track record in writing female characters. The hobby is very male dominated, and until recently the BL writers have been almost exclusively guys. I hope the situation's getting a little better at the moment - think of characters like Euphrati Keeler and Octavia in 40K and Ulrika in Fantasy. In addition, authors like Nik Vincent and Sarah Cawkwell have written stories in both universes, which goes a tiny way towards redressing the male imbalance.

that's really great news :D thank you! and keep up the great work :D

[Grimtooth]

Don't get me wrong Chris, it is a great read by all acounts. One of the books that is a definite read over and over to glean as much additional information out of it that I can to enjoy again again.

 

I was too harsh in saying they were too shallow because you do crack open the gooey senter of the characters but then I just didn't get a good enough taste of them to probably quench what is a personal unquenchable thirst....lol! I mean your introduction to Greyloc with him on the hunt made me want to research and know him from birth on Fenris. A little exaggerated, but that is what your intro did do me.

 

I would apply the same personal scale to Ironhelm. The deep seated hatred for Magnus is understood, the fiction behind that is played out by probably all of us on the table, but the small list of named planets that he has chased the demon primarch is just a taster to where his true frustration and hatred comes from. Again a personal thirst for all that is heresy and shortly after about the VI Legion.

 

Your insight is indeed completely fresh, beyond the Ragnar series and beyond the Heresy novel, which indeed garners a solid spot in my bookshelf and will not gather dust. You comparison between the Heresy and Battles series is spot on which I didn't realize until you brought it up.

 

Keep up the great work.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

 

@Chris Wraight: from what iunderstood from your story, the wolves did defend the fang with all the fury they are known for. they destroyed the Thousand Sons's ability to do comparable actions.

but for all of the brutality, the failed to defend the fang. a traitor legion broke through its defenses. magnus toppled the great statue of russ. the grand annulus was in the prescence of traitors. the fang would have surely been completely sacked had the Wolves under Ironhelm not returned at rhe exact moment.

 

but for all of this,i thought the true goal of Magnus was not to destroy the Wolves' fortress (though he took pleasure in that) but rather to destroy the Wolves future. in this regar, he suceeded. the Tempering was destroyed, and the sole professional on it was killed. i see this as a victory for magnus as he achieved his primary goal.

 

this is all my opinion, so feel free to disregard it.

 

WLK

 

[wookieman]

I agree with WLK.

 

While the Thousand Sons were nearly destroyed, they managed to penetrate the Fang and almost destroy it and they achieved their primary mission.

If they had failed a dozen Space Wolf successor chapters forming a ring around the eye of terror would mean a 14th Black Crusdade would not get very far.

 

 

Also, another vote for a 1st War for Armageddon book here.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Please make use of spoiler tags when providing details of the story.

[Sarapham]

@Chris Wraight: from what iunderstood from your story, the wolves did defend the fang with all the fury they are known for. they destroyed the Thousand Sons's ability to do comparable actions.

but for all of the brutality, the failed to defend the fang. a traitor legion broke through its defenses. magnus toppled the great statue of russ. the grand annulus was in the prescence of traitors. the fang would have surely been completely sacked had the Wolves under Ironhelm not returned at rhe exact moment.

 

 

WLK

 

 

 

If a single Great company had been able to completely withstand such a massive TS force and later even a Daemon Primarch on their own it would have made a mockery of the TS as opponents and been a bit absurd. That you get to see what havoc the TS cause later when they finally manage to breach the defenses speaks more to the favor of the Wolves than anything because they managed to hold all that power back for almost 40(!) days. If they had been able to beat them back without reinforcements I think the novel would have quickly turned into complete fanservice just for wolves.

 

The destruction of the Tempering project and the TS having it as a objective I think is something that simply helps the TS not looking as completly incapable idiots just frothing for revenge, which does not fit at all with their MO, especially when it was masterminded by Magnus, curse his name.

 

[Lord Ragnarok]

@Chris Wraight: from what iunderstood from your story, the wolves did defend the fang with all the fury they are known for. they destroyed the Thousand Sons's ability to do comparable actions.

but for all of the brutality, the failed to defend the fang. a traitor legion broke through its defenses. magnus toppled the great statue of russ. the grand annulus was in the prescence of traitors. the fang would have surely been completely sacked had the Wolves under Ironhelm not returned at rhe exact moment.

 

 

WLK

 

 

 

If a single Great company had been able to completely withstand such a massive TS force and later even a Daemon Primarch on their own it would have made a mockery of the TS as opponents and been a bit absurd. That you get to see what havoc the TS cause later when they finally manage to breach the defenses speaks more to the favor of the Wolves than anything because they managed to hold all that power back for almost 40(!) days. If they had been able to beat them back without reinforcements I think the novel would have quickly turned into complete fanservice just for wolves.

 

The destruction of the Tempering project and the TS having it as a objective I think is something that simply helps the TS not looking as completly incapable idiots just frothing for revenge, which does not fit at all with their MO, especially when it was masterminded by Magnus, curse his name.

 

 

Nicely stated. 100 percent agreed.

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

Wait a minute....

For some SW's losing the secrets to stabilizing the Canis Helix is not much of a lost. Remember Bjorn said he would have destroyed the efforts himself had he known(I think he said that). So for many, this is pure Win.

 

Yes you are right.

 

IP

[Gree]

Wait a minute....

For some SW's losing the secrets to stabilizing the Canis Helix is not much of a lost. Remember Bjorn said he would have destroyed the efforts himself had he known(I think he said that). So for many, this is pure Win.

 

 

Although Bjorn speaks from a mindset of the past. He even reflects upon this, on how differant he is from the newer generation of Wolves and how Russ knew he would have hated being away from Russ.

 

Ultimately we don't know how Wrymblade's research would have turned out, or if he would have suceeded at all. I find his character to be fascinating, like a Space Wolf version of Fabius Bile. Except less insane. However evidently Magnus thought it worthwhile to try and take out the project. Worthwhile enough to gamble his Legion's last offfensive assets on the attack.

 

Elements of what Wyrmblade saying did come true, the stuff about Fenris being beseiged again later on.

 

Also, I think this book raises new questions about what exactly happened to the Wolf Brothers. We know about the gene instability, but there is some implication Magnus had a hand in things.

 

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

@Chris Wraight: from what iunderstood from your story, the wolves did defend the fang with all the fury they are known for. they destroyed the Thousand Sons's ability to do comparable actions.

but for all of the brutality, the failed to defend the fang. a traitor legion broke through its defenses. magnus toppled the great statue of russ. the grand annulus was in the prescence of traitors. the fang would have surely been completely sacked had the Wolves under Ironhelm not returned at rhe exact moment.

 

 

WLK

 

 

 

If a single Great company had been able to completely withstand such a massive TS force and later even a Daemon Primarch on their own it would have made a mockery of the TS as opponents and been a bit absurd. That you get to see what havoc the TS cause later when they finally manage to breach the defenses speaks more to the favor of the Wolves than anything because they managed to hold all that power back for almost 40(!) days. If they had been able to beat them back without reinforcements I think the novel would have quickly turned into complete fanservice just for wolves.

 

The destruction of the Tempering project and the TS having it as a objective I think is something that simply helps the TS not looking as completly incapable idiots just frothing for revenge, which does not fit at all with their MO, especially when it was masterminded by Magnus, curse his name.

 

 

 

The Thousand Sons set out with 1 single objective. to destroy the Tempering. everything else was secondary.

did they achieve their goal? yes.

 

therefore, its a Thousand Son victory. there is not ignoring that. it can be dressed up and pranced around in any way you like, but the core of it is true.

 

 

 

but i think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

 

WLK

[Sarapham]

@Chris Wraight: from what iunderstood from your story, the wolves did defend the fang with all the fury they are known for. they destroyed the Thousand Sons's ability to do comparable actions.

but for all of the brutality, the failed to defend the fang. a traitor legion broke through its defenses. magnus toppled the great statue of russ. the grand annulus was in the prescence of traitors. the fang would have surely been completely sacked had the Wolves under Ironhelm not returned at rhe exact moment.

 

 

WLK

 

 

 

If a single Great company had been able to completely withstand such a massive TS force and later even a Daemon Primarch on their own it would have made a mockery of the TS as opponents and been a bit absurd. That you get to see what havoc the TS cause later when they finally manage to breach the defenses speaks more to the favor of the Wolves than anything because they managed to hold all that power back for almost 40(!) days. If they had been able to beat them back without reinforcements I think the novel would have quickly turned into complete fanservice just for wolves.

 

The destruction of the Tempering project and the TS having it as a objective I think is something that simply helps the TS not looking as completly incapable idiots just frothing for revenge, which does not fit at all with their MO, especially when it was masterminded by Magnus, curse his name.

 

 

 

The Thousand Sons set out with 1 single objective. to destroy the Tempering. everything else was secondary.

did they achieve their goal? yes.

 

therefore, its a Thousand Son victory. there is not ignoring that. it can be dressed up and pranced around in any way you like, but the core of it is true.

 

 

 

but i think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

 

WLK

 

 

 

I see what you are saying but we have the advantage of hindsight so we can see that the Wolves did not lose much. Sure much of a Great Company but that is fully replacable.. and losing the Tempering.

 

The Tempering was nothing more than a failed experiment at that point that may or may not have been able to "save" the Space Wolves. If there was a thing that could have gotten rid of the beast within all Wolves I have to wonder why the Emperor put it in there in the first place.

 

But once more in hindsight, compared to the loss of most of a Great Company the TS lost in essence all ability to launch full offensive actions against anything but backwater planets for all forseable future. Even depending on how important the Tempering would have been to the Wolves I would any day call that a victory for the Wolves.

 

But agree to disagree :P

 

[Lord Ragnarok]

@Chris Wraight: from what iunderstood from your story, the wolves did defend the fang with all the fury they are known for. they destroyed the Thousand Sons's ability to do comparable actions.

but for all of the brutality, the failed to defend the fang. a traitor legion broke through its defenses. magnus toppled the great statue of russ. the grand annulus was in the prescence of traitors. the fang would have surely been completely sacked had the Wolves under Ironhelm not returned at rhe exact moment.

 

 

WLK

 

 

 

If a single Great company had been able to completely withstand such a massive TS force and later even a Daemon Primarch on their own it would have made a mockery of the TS as opponents and been a bit absurd. That you get to see what havoc the TS cause later when they finally manage to breach the defenses speaks more to the favor of the Wolves than anything because they managed to hold all that power back for almost 40(!) days. If they had been able to beat them back without reinforcements I think the novel would have quickly turned into complete fanservice just for wolves.

 

The destruction of the Tempering project and the TS having it as a objective I think is something that simply helps the TS not looking as completly incapable idiots just frothing for revenge, which does not fit at all with their MO, especially when it was masterminded by Magnus, curse his name.

 

 

 

The Thousand Sons set out with 1 single objective. to destroy the Tempering. everything else was secondary.

did they achieve their goal? yes.

 

therefore, its a Thousand Son victory. there is not ignoring that. it can be dressed up and pranced around in any way you like, but the core of it is true.

 

 

 

but i think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

 

WLK

 

 

No,

Two objectives, one more hidden from most of the Tsons. The obvious and key objectives for those who were solely focused on vengeance was the total destruction of the fang and fenris. The 2nd one, and less known was destruction of the research. Magnus even states along the lines.."I have something to do" where he goes to the lab but does not really specify. I still see it as a success for both sides, Pyrrhic however. Also history shows we have not done a bad job with our limited numbers

 

[maverik_girl]

as a Wolf player, it has turned my idea of the First Siege of the Fang from a victory to a defeat, a prychic win for the Thousand Sons, but a victory for them after all. this bothers me as it breaks a idea i have long held for the Wolves, and while change isnt always bad, it changed more than i was comfortable with.

I don't see it as a defeat brother, although the Wolves lost something valuable, and Magnus achieved his goal, we did far more long term damage to his legion, and with only one great company and a bunch of humans! that alone says allot about the Wolves. Although circumstances were similar to what happened to Prospero, the Wolves defended and fought back hard. I'm gonna echoe was was summarized and written at the lexicanum...

Of Hraldir and his experiments, nothing was salvagable. And so, whilst the Battle of the Fang is reckoned to be a terrible defeat for the Thousand Sons, Magnus achieved his purpose. The Sons of Russ project would not rise again, and there would never be any successors born to the Space Wolves. The battle robbed the Rout of their possibility to reproduce, spread, grow in power and potentially strike a devastating blow against the forces of Chaos. However, it did not even come close to destroying them, and their recovery from it was assured.1m

For the Thousand Sons, it was another matter entirely. Their Legion had thrown almost everything at the battle, and lost almost as much. Apart from their fleet, their remaining non-Astartes Legion resources were used up and cast away. Several of the remaining senior figures in the Legion were lost, encouraging the breaking-down of the command-tree, and their retreat was scattered and piecemeal. As they are not known to have appeared in this strength ever again, it is after the Battle of the Fang that the Thousand Sons are thought to have lost organised coherence and become a group of warbands, predicted by the victorious Space Wolves of the time to be thought of as "...knowledge-thieves roaming the galaxy for hidden trinkets...their shame know[ing] no limit and their poverty...no equal."

 

agreed with what Mav said, along with Lord Rags, and Sarapham ;) I guess Wolf Lord Kieran sees the shot glass, as is half-empty instead of being half-full. Ramses said it best, "Thousand Sons win a battle but lose the war"

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

@mav_girl: no, i see it as we lost the future. the T-Sons were a spent force, but did enough damage to ensure we create a future free of scum like them.

 

WLK

[MaveriK]

@mav_girl: no, i see it as we lost the future. the T-Sons were a spent force, but did enough damage to ensure we create a future free of scum like them.

 

WLK

Our chapter still stands today, and we've endured much hardship since Prospero, yet we are still very much united as a chapter! unlike the small pockets of knowledge thieves that is now the Thousand Sons. We are stronger now, and with much more purpose and resolve! so much has been sacrificed, and lost during the first battle of the Fang. But we're still here fighting today, and keeping true to the teachings of Fenris and the ways of the Wolf King.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

@mav_girl: no, i see it as we lost the future. the T-Sons were a spent force, but did enough damage to ensure we create a future free of scum like them.

 

WLK

Our chapter still stands today, and we've endured much hardship since Prospero, yet we are still very much united as a chapter! unlike the small pockets of knowledge thieves that is now the Thousand Sons. We are stronger now, and with much more purpose and resolve! so much has been sacrificed, and lost during the first battle of the Fang. But we're still here fighting today, and keeping true to the teachings of Fenris and the ways of the Wolf King.

 

we as a chapter are here, yes.

but the potential for so much more is what we lost. we could have been legion again. instead we are a single chapter. the mightiest of chapters sure, but still just a chapter.

 

WLK

[MaveriK]

@mav_girl: no, i see it as we lost the future. the T-Sons were a spent force, but did enough damage to ensure we create a future free of scum like them.

 

WLK

Our chapter still stands today, and we've endured much hardship since Prospero, yet we are still very much united as a chapter! unlike the small pockets of knowledge thieves that is now the Thousand Sons. We are stronger now, and with much more purpose and resolve! so much has been sacrificed, and lost during the first battle of the Fang. But we're still here fighting today, and keeping true to the teachings of Fenris and the ways of the Wolf King.

 

we as a chapter are here, yes.

but the potential for so much more is what we lost. we could have been legion again. instead we are a single chapter. the mightiest of chapters sure, but still just a chapter.

 

WLK

haha there's no point in arguing for the sake of arguing! it's all good wolf brother.