Emperor's Scourge Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 You're skirting the edge of WAACs here. Or maybe you run Erik Morkai's GC? :o Me? I name my squads. I name my Wolf Guard. My army lists have the names printed on them. They all bear their own unique pack markings and those markings will be displayed on their Rhinos when I get around to finishing them. You wear a sword on your hip, not in your pocket. All that aside, do what you want. Its a game. Just don't cop an attitude when people call you skeevy for your decisions. @marshalwilhelm: Fixed my sig I think. Its just a little blog of WIP, book reviews and odd news snippets. Nothing super special. A sword is indeed worn on your hip...and Grey Hunters go INSIDE the rhino, not clinging to the outside in full view with their weapons and gear raised high in the air so the enemy can get a good look. I haven't heard a single person call what we do "skeevy" until now. As I stated before, if someone wants to accuse me of cheating, I can easily prove that i'm not in black and white print. If I choose to play someone who wants to put all the cards on the table, then i'll do that if that's what they prefer. Not accusing you or anyone else here of cheating. Merely, shining up a turd with some all natural self interest cream. Look, there is a great wealth of information we get in this game that, when you think about it, we'd have no clue about as Generals. Ranges, armor saves, who and how many can ride in what, etc etc etc This only adds to the tactical challenge of playing. This godlike knowledge is how we set up assaults, counter assaults, gun lines, tickle fights and so on. WYSIWYG ensures that you know that the BA Dread has Blood Talons. It ensures that you know which Nob has a power klaw. YOU...want Mech to be even better than it already is by way of omission. I...see Mech as a dominant force in 5th and in no way in need of any further advantage over foot armies. If you really think your opponent knowing which GH Rhino you have a plasma gun in is going to shift the balance of power and cost you that W then continue on your merry way. You bought the ticket, you can take the ride. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2738453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 You're skirting the edge of WAACs here. Or maybe you run Erik Morkai's GC? :) Me? I name my squads. I name my Wolf Guard. My army lists have the names printed on them. They all bear their own unique pack markings and those markings will be displayed on their Rhinos when I get around to finishing them. You wear a sword on your hip, not in your pocket. All that aside, do what you want. Its a game. Just don't cop an attitude when people call you skeevy for your decisions. @marshalwilhelm: Fixed my sig I think. Its just a little blog of WIP, book reviews and odd news snippets. Nothing super special. A sword is indeed worn on your hip...and Grey Hunters go INSIDE the rhino, not clinging to the outside in full view with their weapons and gear raised high in the air so the enemy can get a good look. I haven't heard a single person call what we do "skeevy" until now. As I stated before, if someone wants to accuse me of cheating, I can easily prove that i'm not in black and white print. If I choose to play someone who wants to put all the cards on the table, then i'll do that if that's what they prefer. Not accusing you or anyone else here of cheating. Merely, shining up a turd with some all natural self interest cream. Look, there is a great wealth of information we get in this game that, when you think about it, we'd have no clue about as Generals. Ranges, armor saves, who and how many can ride in what, etc etc etc This only adds to the tactical challenge of playing. This godlike knowledge is how we set up assaults, counter assaults, gun lines, tickle fights and so on. WYSIWYG ensures that you know that the BA Dread has Blood Talons. It ensures that you know which Nob has a power klaw. YOU...want Mech to be even better than it already is by way of omission. I...see Mech as a dominant force in 5th and in no way in need of any further advantage over foot armies. If you really think your opponent knowing which GH Rhino you have a plasma gun in is going to shift the balance of power and cost you that W then continue on your merry way. You bought the ticket, you can take the ride. And of this wealth of knowledge that you mention, your opponent has access to that same wealth of knowledge. On that level you and him are on an even playing ground. This is a war game, akin to chess and checkers. So if an opponent is placing a checker that would allow you to triple jump, and he asked you if that move was safe, would you tell him that if he moves there you are going to triple jump him? Just to delve further on the wealth of knowledge that you mention, as you are both sharing that knowledge, why voluntarily give up more? As mentioned it is a wargame, so why give up what little tactical advantage is left? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2738734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Y'all are taking this FAR too seriously, and there is really no point attempting to argue it further. Everybody's made their points and it's clear which side they stand on; even GW is deliberately vague to allow players who prefer that level of secrecy to do so, while those interested in full disclosure and playing a game where they make decisions based on knowing what and where everything is on the field can do so as well. The ultimate conclusion and method of recourse is to simply ask your opponent before the game begins if they are interested in full disclosure (not just of army lists, but specific units in specific transports, as well as regards to wargear/equipment/upgrades/shenanigans). Both of you can either agree to a certain level of secrecy or disclosure, or simply not play the game if neither of you can reach an acceptable consensus. There's no point everybody getting their panties bunched up into wads over something that, in the long run, is both personal preference and up to the local gaming community. The only important part is that both players reach a compromise that is acceptable to all involved. Personally, I believe in full disclosure; those at the local GW I play at do the same, as has every tournament I have ever attended. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2738769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Y'all are taking this FAR too seriously, and there is really no point attempting to argue it further. Everybody's made their points and it's clear which side they stand on; even GW is deliberately vague to allow players who prefer that level of secrecy to do so, while those interested in full disclosure and playing a game where they make decisions based on knowing what and where everything is on the field can do so as well. The ultimate conclusion and method of recourse is to simply ask your opponent before the game begins if they are interested in full disclosure (not just of army lists, but specific units in specific transports, as well as regards to wargear/equipment/upgrades/shenanigans). Both of you can either agree to a certain level of secrecy or disclosure, or simply not play the game if neither of you can reach an acceptable consensus. There's no point everybody getting their panties bunched up into wads over something that, in the long run, is both personal preference and up to the local gaming community. The only important part is that both players reach a compromise that is acceptable to all involved. Personally, I believe in full disclosure; those at the local GW I play at do the same, as has every tournament I have ever attended. DV8 Every tournament I have played is the same with the actual disclosure up to the individual players. This past weekend for example, you handed over your list and explained what you had. However during the course of the games my opponents never even asked again what was in my Rhinos. They knew they had mean Grey Hunters in them and that was enough for them. I have had other tournaments where after disclosure at the beginning of the game, one of my opponents showed me the bottom of a transport and then the bottom of a model where a small number had been marked to show that the models that were in the transports matched when they disembarked. Again, no asking of how embarked models were equipped during the course of the tournament. That is not the first time either of marked models with marked transports via either pack markings or even like I have mentioned before, a small scrap of paper with some numbers written on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2738832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I feel a very inaccurate conclusion has been jumped to about me. I have no crazy agenda to make mechanized armies harder to deal with. I often run at least half of my army on foot, so there's no question what's what. A few people seem to be "stuck" on the tank aspect of not disclosing. Our group also doesn't show each other what's in reserve or what order it's coming onto the table. It's quite possible to make our armies a complete mystery without any transports whatsoever....we do it often. Brother Ramses, you mentioned your history of tournaments in each of your responses. I've been saying the entire time that I don't typically play tournaments and if/when I decide to, I would have no problem following whatever rules were set by the organizers. They want full disclosure? Fine. If I want to play in that tournament, I play by the rules or I don't play there. When you come to one of the tables I typically play on, you play by our rules or you don't have to play. I'm not saying people who fully disclose their lists are wrong or stupid. I'm saying that I prefer not to do it because it makes the game a bit more enjoyable for me and the people I typically play with. In summary: - I DON'T hate people who fully disclose - I DON'T have a love for mech that makes me want to twist the game to suit it - I DO respect the rules set forth by tournaments - I DO run lists that have little or no mech quite often Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2739264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I love pancakes discuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I love pancakes discuss Blueberry pancakes with whipped cream and syrup for the win. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 you sir have good taste Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I love pancakes discuss I love pancakes too, but I am not going to tell you what I put inside them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear da Lamentation Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 I love pancakes too, but I am not going to tell you what I put inside them. LMAO. You know when you sometimes wish you never started something ......... ;) Mind, I am claiming this thread to have been well and truly hyjacked and therefore holding myself completely blameless :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Kegs and eggs? No sir, pancakes, maple syrup and bourbon. Hell yeah. Remind us all to never let Brother Ramses to make breakfast in the fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Kegs and eggs? No sir, pancakes, maple syrup and bourbon. Hell yeah. Remind us all to never let Brother Ramses to make breakfast in the fang. You left out bacon. I don't think I trust you anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Not in pancakes though right? Bacon on the side is SO much better...or wrapped around a juicy piece of filet mignon...I mean...meat...fresh meat.... << >> Actually little bits of chocolate chip go GREAT in blueberry pancakes too. Now I want some pancakes... DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 You left out bacon. I don't think I trust you anymore. How about at the same time? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/News%20n%20Stuff/baconpancakes.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 You left out bacon. I don't think I trust you anymore. How about at the same time? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/News%20n%20Stuff/baconpancakes.jpg Been there done that. There is another recipe that you dice the bacon and then mix it with the batter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Kegs and eggs? No sir, pancakes, maple syrup and bourbon. Hell yeah. Remind us all to never let Brother Ramses to make breakfast in the fang. You left out bacon. I don't think I trust you anymore. Aw c' mon, what if I included bacon bourbon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228361-9-men-in-a-rhino/page/3/#findComment-2740291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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