catharsix Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 So since i was able to get my hands on a full Space Hulk set, with all its glorious BA termies, i want to make sure that what i traded for it (thank god i didn't have to buy - those things cost an arm and a leg now) hasn't gone for naught. That said, i al so may buy a box of CCW termies, if only to get the additional assault weapon options, claws and hammers. that way i'd have plenty of termies to make whatever configuration of squad(s) i want. The question is: what are the best squad types/size/equipment for a BA army (under the new codex)? Any advice on how to organize them, equip them, and use them on the field would be greatly appreciated. I've played SM before (not BA since ages ago) but never used termies. hook me ip with your knowledge! большое спасибо! -C6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Wish I had those termies, so much I could do with them :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I like tactical terminators with a cyclone missile launcher. It has better ranged damage output than a tactical squad while still being able to move 6". They can shrug off AP3 weaponry and have a ton of power fist attacks in CC. They are even better with a TDA priest attached, the TDA upgrade cost is not too bad considering it includes a power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I'm thinking 5 termies with Dante and a sang priest in TDA. One asscan/cyclone makes it 540pts. Deepstrike in the middle of the enemy, shoot something and get the rest of your army towards the enemy. If they shoot your termies to death, thats too bad, but the rest of your army is alot closer to your enemy. If they don't, you have an terminator squad with Dante and a sang priest in the middle of the enemy! Bah, make it 10 terminators + another asscan/cylone and bring it up to 790pts. Who needs a Landraider? Too bad they take up those precious Elite slots. I need those for my dreads! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I run mine with a priest, as 2+/5++/FNP is an almost unbeatable combination. To actually use all the space hulk termies, you're gonna need a box of assault marines (for one of the sergeants and the lightning claw guy), plus you'll need to bulk the shooty termies in order to use both heavy weapons. Game wise you'll need to either deep strike them or mount them in a stormraven or some sort of land raider to get them anywhere near combat. A good combination is scouts with cloaks and a teleport homer. You can deploy the scouts pretty near to an objective, use the homer to bring in the terminators and clear the objective, then use the scouts to hold it. 'Tactical' terminators also make a pretty good counter-attacking unit against armies you want to sit back and shoot before you get into combat with them. Personally, I prefer the assault cannon and cyclone launcher to the heavy flamer. If you're in range to use the heavy flamer, you're better off assaulting, and using it could put you out of range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I'm thinking 5 termies with Dante and a sang priest in TDA. One asscan/cyclone makes it 540pts. Deepstrike in the middle of the enemy, shoot something and get the rest of your army towards the enemy. If they shoot your termies to death, thats too bad, but the rest of your army is alot closer to your enemy. If they don't, you have an terminator squad with Dante and a sang priest in the middle of the enemy! Bah, make it 10 terminators + another asscan/cylone and bring it up to 790pts. Who needs a Landraider? Too bad they take up those precious Elite slots. I need those for my dreads! What good would Dante do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Yorei Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I'm thinking 5 termies with Dante and a sang priest in TDA. One asscan/cyclone makes it 540pts. Deepstrike in the middle of the enemy, shoot something and get the rest of your army towards the enemy. If they shoot your termies to death, thats too bad, but the rest of your army is alot closer to your enemy. If they don't, you have an terminator squad with Dante and a sang priest in the middle of the enemy! Bah, make it 10 terminators + another asscan/cylone and bring it up to 790pts. Who needs a Landraider? Too bad they take up those precious Elite slots. I need those for my dreads! What good would Dante do? thats what im wondering. dante's ability to not scatter would not work because the whole unit has to have jump packs. i do 5 LC termies with a chappy, libby, and priest in a crusader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 BA can get a lot of special rules working with TDA models. I loved proving it's power to my locals. 10 TDA assault 3LC/7TH 3 TDA priests 1-2 TDA HQ 0-1 Sanguinor* 0-1 TDA chaplain 0-1 Dante *not attached I used that core over and over in it's variants and all were fun alongside 20 scouts and 3 whirlies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Under the old codex 2x5 Tactical Terminators with an Assault Cannon/Cyclone + Corbulo & 1-2 Honourguard with Priests made a rather resiliant castle. The same could be done with just 1x10 Terminators & Corbulo (If anything it would be even more resiliant.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francois Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 BA can make the biggest terminator unit in the game, at 21 strong! 10 strong unit, 2 characters in TDA, 9 sanguinary priests in TDA! Not saying it is strong, but it can have a psychological effect on your opponent! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 BA can make the biggest terminator unit in the game, at 21 strong! 10 strong unit, 2 characters in TDA, 9 sanguinary priests in TDA! Not saying it is strong, but it can have a psychological effect on your opponent! :D No, the priests are 0-1 and then 1-3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 BA can make the biggest terminator unit in the game, at 21 strong! 10 strong unit, 2 characters in TDA, 9 sanguinary priests in TDA! Not saying it is strong, but it can have a psychological effect on your opponent! :D No, the priests are 0-1 and then 1-3. Priests are not 0-1. You can have 9 priests in 1 FOC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I'm thinking 5 termies with Dante and a sang priest in TDA. One asscan/cyclone makes it 540pts. Deepstrike in the middle of the enemy, shoot something and get the rest of your army towards the enemy. If they shoot your termies to death, thats too bad, but the rest of your army is alot closer to your enemy. If they don't, you have an terminator squad with Dante and a sang priest in the middle of the enemy! Bah, make it 10 terminators + another asscan/cylone and bring it up to 790pts. Who needs a Landraider? Too bad they take up those precious Elite slots. I need those for my dreads! What good would Dante do? thats what im wondering. dante's ability to not scatter would not work because the whole unit has to have jump packs. You are, of course, correct. The idea came up when a friend and myself was playing yesterday, didn't check the codex to confirm it. Since all my slots are taken by Dreads and maybe a priest it's a no for me anyway. Then we need to use a locator beacon instead. Scouts or a drop pod will do what dante could do. 10 scout bikers with a beacon costs 10pts more than Dante. <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 2 x 3 (6) priests and 10 elite termies constitute a full elites selection. Maybe that's what his initial thought was about. 18 is the largest possible termie & sternguard unit. 2 HQ ICs 6 priest 10 termies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybnick Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Termies jumping out of a SR is an amazingly fun way to use Termies, add in a TDA libby or priest for even more TDA fun. I've considered running a drop pod heavy army with deepstriking Termies but haven't make it happen yet. My initial thought's are 10x shooty termies combat squadded each with a TDA libby and TDA priest, a couple 10 man scout squads (1 w/ all botlers and a fist and the other all snipers w/ ML) each w/ camo cloaks and a beacon, a tactical squad w/ pod for objectives and 2x heavy support dreads (MM, blood fist weapons) in pods w/ beacons. Infiltrate the scouts and drop the dread pods first turn, hopefully bring in the termies (combat squaded) +priest/libby and tacticals on turn 2-3. Definitely not the most competitive list but would be fun to try out at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
catharsix Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 wow, thanks for the wide variety of very detailed responses! i was worried that since i hadn't seen many TDA BA lists, (but alot of DOA) that maybe they weren't really a good investment. i am actually going to get a CCW TDA squad box too, to fill out the straight-up assault end of the bargain as well. And the SPace Hulk set already gives me a TDA Librarian, and i've always been fond of the metal TDA Chaplain as well... and i think one (or more?) of those Space Hulk guys are going to become Sanguinary Priests as well... thanks for all the ideas guys. when i get this force up and running, i'll be starting a plog for it. i am going to be doing Angels Encarmine, and have already begun preliminary conversion work (i am sculpting bat-style wings onto the traditional feather-style wings iconography of the new BA plastics) -C6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Right, a bit more on topic. 10 x Tactical Termi, 2 x Cyclone M.L and a naked priest, start on the board in combat squads, constantly moving towards the enemy. Rest of the army drop in as DoA and trap the enemies in between. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 id go assault cannon purely becasue it looks cooler... and shooty ones as they are just cool...(cc ones need delivery) optional termy priest/termy libby/ chappy(wouldnt pay for termy armour, costs gives you plus one to your save and a stormbolter, but costs you an attack... nah thanks... although it does look cool...) or other such character... although none are complusary... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 id go assault cannon purely becasue it looks cooler... and shooty ones as they are just cool...(cc ones need delivery) optional termy priest/termy libby/ chappy(wouldnt pay for termy armour, costs gives you plus one to your save and a stormbolter, but costs you an attack... nah thanks... although it does look cool...) or other such character... although none are complusary... Ass-cannons deffo are cool. The thing is that CML is good now. For once. The role I suggested is some heavy suppresion and possibly early transport popping for V.V to benefit from, hence ass-cannon doesn't cut it (the range that is). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 true game wise the cml is better but asthetically..boke... as if termys aint fluff wise tall enough... assault cannon on the other hand, whats not to love about a rotatory cannon... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2737976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 What's not to love about a rack of short range space ship missiles strapped to your head? Ass-cannons deffo are cool. The thing is that CML is good now. For once. The role I suggested is some heavy suppresion and possibly early transport popping for V.V to benefit from, hence ass-cannon doesn't cut it (the range that is). Hey now, it was great in 1st and 2nd ed! That's not too long ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2738024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Finally broke out a Stormraven with a Libby with UR/SS, Hammernators, and a Dread. Was quite a fan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2738028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Cyclone has far better range, but I feel that asscans are better at killing other termies, or am I wrong? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2738045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Cyclone has far better range, but I feel that asscans are better at killing other termies, or am I wrong? Eeer, yeah. Not that I'd use either against termies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2738071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 depends on the termy your firing it at. if it has 2 wounds + id want to use the missile incase i get to instakill. though other than that assa cannon would be better particularly if you score a rending hit(though storm sheilds mitigate that a fair bit...) of course i wouldnt let termys take on termys on their own... that would be a not so good idea... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228426-best-way-to-utilize-terminators-in-a-ba-force/#findComment-2738090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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