Succesor Chapters Terminator Colour's?

[dex_911]

Hey guys,

I have a question regarding the colour scheme of terminators, notably in succesor chapters. So, the parent chapter being the Dark Angels paint their terminators bleached / white - (Deathwing). Would their succesor chapters do so too?

 

I am painting up an Angels of Redemption force and my next squad is terminators. I would love to have them in the bleached colour scheme, but I am not sure if the DA sucessor chapters have a 'deathwing' ? - I am trying to make this force as fluffy as possible, so any help here would be great.

 

Also when it comes to special characters, (Azrael, Ezekiel etc)..in terms of fluff, would they lead any of their successor chapters into battle? Would it be unusual to see Azrael take command of a few Angels of Redemption squads? - Or is he strictly the grand master of the 'Dark Angels' only? In which case, I will need to create my own named characters?

 

Thanks for any help here guys!

Dex

[Xenith]

Generally, it is your own army, so do as you wish.

 

DA successors will have their own form of the deathwing, although it may have a different name. They will all fight as terminators, though.

 

The Angels of Redemption were a featured army in the 2nd edition space hulk boxed set, which showed their terminator painted as per the regular colour scheme, halved DA green and bone. This is outdated by ~10years, though, so basically, paint them in the colours you like the most.

[Kaika87]

Well, given that C:DA shows a Disciples of Caliban terminator in the black/green color scheme, I'd say it seems that only the Dark Angels paint their terminators bone white, although a bit of digging on the web had me learn that all Unforgiven 1st and 2nd Companies are apparently known as the Deathwing and Ravenwing, not just the Dark Angels.

 

But, here's a suggestion. If you want to field the bone-white Terminators, then field them as the Deathwing from the Dark Angels and have the rest of your army be from the Angels of Redemption. The Unforgiven chapters are quite a tight-knit group and are known to work together on campaigns. Seeing the AoR supported by Dark Angels wouldn't be unusual at all.

 

And speaking of them being a close-knit group, any of the Dark Angels special characters would likely be able to exert authority over the successors, especially if it's a joint force of Dark Angels and Angels of Redemption.

[Wayward]

You can also go for an alternate colour scheme, say, half black half bone, that would make them satnd out from the regular troops and still make em look like the same army.

[Master Avoghai]

Well since the bone-white amour is linked to the Plains World incident, that occured AFTER the 2nd founding, it is unlikely that the successors termis should field in bone white TDA (except for the angels of absolution of course <_< )

 

Like the other said : AoR and DoC have been shown with regular chapter livery on their armour, so maybe those ones should be painted as it is.

 

For the other ones, I'd'suggest one thing : before being painted in bone the DA termis kept the black livery in memory of the Legion... Maybe some other chapters did the same to strengthen the link betwéen the unforgiven's DW

[EPK]

But, here's a suggestion. If you want to field the bone-white Terminators, then field them as the Deathwing from the Dark Angels and have the rest of your army be from the Angels of Redemption. The Unforgiven chapters are quite a tight-knit group and are known to work together on campaigns. Seeing the AoR supported by Dark Angels wouldn't be unusual at all.

 

I sort of follow this idea.

 

Though I can't say successor chapters don't have terminator armor at all, I like to think that since the DA themselves field so many, the successors have proportionally less (as in 2nd founding only having 50 or 75) and would actually field part of the their 1st Companies in Power Armor.

 

I go as far as to say that the Consecrators, being small relatively newer may only have under 20 or so suits - 10-15 reserved for a Terminator detachments and the rest for HQs. Or taking that further, I'm actually leaning towards the idea of the Consecrators only having like 10 of the most revered Crusade-era suits of the Legion reserved for HQs and field NO terminators at all. But this is all just my opinion.

 

As for painting them, I'm with Master Avoghai. I certainly like the idea of throwbacks to Legion colors. Perhaps some may even still utilize markings like the red helmet stripe.

[Grand Master Belial]

On the characters, only Azrael would lead non-DA groups as that is the reason he has the Supreme before his rank. The chapter masters of the successors are addressed as Grand Masters but Azrael can lead the entire Unforgiven as a reunified legion.

 

Color scheme points have been written already.

[EPK]

On the characters, only Azrael would lead non-DA groups as that is the reason he has the Supreme before his rank. The chapter masters of the successors are addressed as Grand Masters but Azrael can lead the entire Unforgiven as a reunified legion.

 

If you are replying to Kaika87's comment, I'd say you can spin it slightly different... What if the situation is an ad hoc joint force where a member of one Unforgiven Chapter obviously outranks another or the other is only part of a smaller support type unit(s). I think they might defer to his lead... maybe...

 

Now lets make it more specific, top ranking officers, perhaps Azrael himself, appoints this member to lead said strike force. Another Successor chapter sends aid in some form as above, and they undoubtedly will be getting their overall commands from the appointed leader.

 

Of course this could work both ways I suppose.

[Grand Master Belial]

Both points are valid and I yield both points. I even have a combined Unforgiven force as my army led by myself.

[EPK]

Both points are valid and I yield both points. I even have a combined Unforgiven force as my army led by myself.

 

Actually, same here. I have a new tactical squad I've been painting up as Consecrators but my army is always led by Belial.

 

The first situation I proposed is definitely more of an unspoken etiquette thing though. The deference would be out of respect in that case. On a similar footing the two might work together more closely, neither commanding the other I suppose, so I can see your point as well.

[Brother Kovash]

I painted my terminators in bone white for my successor chapter. I'm not too worried about the fluff, but if you want to stay true to the lore as much as possible then maybe you should go with the chapter colors.

 

Of course, you could always try a test model or two out to decide if you like the bone white scheme better for yourself. Painting one might change your opinion.

[TyrionTheImp]

I use Guardians of the Covenant but my Terminators are all painted Deathwing colors. I wanted to keep a variety in my models and painting metal and red can get boring, so having to paint my Terminators (and Land Raiders, and Venerable Dreadnoughts) bone kept painting interesting for me. I almost always play an exclusive Deathwing army though when using C:DA and exclusive power armor when using C:SM though, so they rarely ever go on the board at the same time.

 

I am among the group who see the Unforgiven as more of a Legion than individual chapters, so I have no problem mixing color schemes, or using any other SC's from the book as they are.

 

With that said, I have a squad of Veterans that I use as Sternguard in my non-Deathwing army that are painted in Pre-heresy black with the helmet colors representing the successor they came from. Since I didn't want them to be company veterans and Deathwing being all terminators, I wanted an elite power-armoured unit that I could use as Sternguard. Basically they're like a Deathwatch kill team, but made up of Unforgiven (in fact I would go so far as to say they could be made up of returned Deathwatch members). It's bending fluff, but if Ravenwing and Deathwing are often hunting fallen, who could help combat Xenos (Sternguard stem from Tyrannic War Veterans which were specifically created to combat Tyranids) better than returned Deathwatch formed into a single team and armed with special ammo?

 

I think if you want to do it "by the book" though, keeping the same scheme for your Terminators as your Power Armored guys is probably your best bet, but I do like the idea of them being in the pre-plains world incident.

[dex_911]

Thanks for the replies guys! Very helpful indeed!

There seems to be a few differing views about this..so how would successor chapters be given terminator armour at the time of their creation? I would assume the terminator suits at this point in time would be black if they were handed down from the DA Legion. Would they actually re-colour those to match the chapters new scheme? :teehee:

 

I presume successor chapters can also receive new suits of armour too..and I suppose it would be up them as to what colour it should be.

 

Sorry for going into so much detail guys, I am actually generally curious about this myself. I am sort of leaning on the side of making them bone white as an acknowledgement and respect to the parent chapter.

 

Last point..I think it's fair to assume that Azrael would take command in most cases of the unforgiven being the supreme grand master as mentioned. However who would hold authority between an Angel of Redemption master or Ezekiel? Can Ezekiel take command of the unforgiven? Would they be more inclined to follow his orders or their own master's? Would it be simply a case of the master following direct orders from Ezekiel anyway?

 

Thanks for the input guys!

dex

[TyrionTheImp]

Thanks for the replies guys! Very helpful indeed!

There seems to be a few differing views about this..so how would successor chapters be given terminator armour at the time of their creation? I would assume the terminator suits at this point in time would be black if they were handed down from the DA Legion. Would they actually re-colour those to match the chapters new scheme? :teehee:

 

I would assume they would re-color it to match the chapter, as is the norm amongst most chapters.

 

I presume successor chapters can also receive new suits of armour too..and I suppose it would be up them as to what colour it should be.

New terminator armor is seldom made, "new" armor is mostly old recovered suits, or bits and pieces from multiple suits combined to make one. They're most likely to recolor these to the chapter's standard, but if they wished to follow the newer Deathwing tradition they could recolor to those. I heard a bit of luff (can't remember where though) where someone's terminator armor was actually of a different chapter, Blood Angels I believe, but they used it because it was what they could find.

 

Last point..I think it's fair to assume that Azrael would take command in most cases of the unforgiven being the supreme grand master as mentioned. However who would hold authority between an Angel of Redemption master or Ezekiel? Can Ezekiel take command of the unforgiven? Would they be more inclined to follow his orders or their own master's? Would it be simply a case of the master following direct orders from Ezekiel anyway?

 

It doesn't have to be Ezekiel, you can use his rules, but have it be the Angels of Redemption Chief Librarian. I don't think Ezekiel would be able to just jack command of a force from an Angels of Redemption force though. It wouldn't be impossible or unlikely though that he couldn't be found leading one though. Often single Space Marines don't travel alone though, they'd probably at least send a squad of something with him if he were to take command.

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

Ezekiel could lead them, imho, Im a member of the 'we are a Legion still' camp, so I think he might be the senior librarian.

 

You can either use him as straight ezekial, or a counts-as. Its your army, you can do what you like with it really,. although having Zeke with a squad of actual Deathwing in your army would be really fluffy I feel

 

just my thoughts on the matter