Knights Divine chapter fluff

[Roma]

Name : Knights Divine

 

Chapter Master: Raviel

 

Founding chapter: Black templars

 

Primarch: Rogal Dorn

 

Homeworld: Nonexistent, Fleet based nature

 

Current strenght: 200, Due to the huge amount of recruiting worlds they have they always have a large amount of willing and able warriors to choose from. But the limitation is that they never have enough gene seed so they finalist places are very limited and only three to five worlds will be recruited from at a time.

 

 

RECRUITING METHODS AND TRIALS OF INITIATION

 

 

The Knights Divine recruit from any worlds, Upon travelling by a world the Knights Divine will leave arenas where those who to be serve to the emperor will participate in fist fights, where the candidates will fight one on one until one of them concedes or rendered unconscious. This will continue until only the most powerful remain, winner being given up to a day to recover between fights. They will then fight against each other. Even the finalists who lost are taken, their final battle there only to show them where they stand and to make them strive to improve themselves. They will then be tested for purity, willpower and intelligence as befits the codex astartes. There are academies on each world were retired space marines teach any willing youths in the ways of battle, mainly in fighting but shooting and strategy are also covered. While those who have not won the challenge of the arena will never become space marines, as it will be years before the world is recruited from again, they provide exemplary cadets for the local imperial guard recruiting academies when they become older.

 

But there is a darker truth, for these are not the ones who will serve the emperor as space marines. They will be trained to be on the peak of physical fitness, having a steady diet of growth steroids, muscle injections and other biological enchancements. This will make them almost as mighty as space marines, but marines they are not to become. Their blood is sampled at the peak of their power, shortly after which many die of strain and constant and unnatural metobolism increases. Those that survive slowly lose their superhuman strenght, their bodies stopping the constant growth as a self survival precaution. Even so however they still retain incredible strenght , intelligence and faith in the emperor and are used as officers and commanders of the ship's human crew.

 

The samples taken are then used to clone the individuals, stabelising and enchancing the embreos as they develop, their brains infused with the holiest of images. The result are 13 year olds with incredible strenght, and an indestructible faith in the emperor. These are the ones that will recieve the chapters gene seed to become the greatest of possible space marines...

 

 

 

 

CHAPTER MASTER RAVIEL

 

Raviel is a cunning tactician and powerful warrior. He was one of the very first Knights Divine and was elected chapter master due to his tactical acumen, but he knew that he was by far not the best warrior in the chapter and considers himself impure for this. He knows that if he was to be taken as a space marine by the strict methods he uses to recruit, he would have never been a space marine. Because of this he constantly strives to improve and become a greater warrior than any in his chapter. While not the most powerful brawler he is unmatched at his swordplay and very few can shoot as accurately. In battle he wears his personalised artificer armor, wielding his relic blade, Soul Reaver. His sidearm varies, but is usually a combi melta. Raviel prefers to lead vanguard veteran squads, falling from the sky and deliviring swift death.

 

GENE SEED MUTATIONS

 

 

THE HOLY RAGE: Due to the way they are created and raised, the warriors of the chapter will enter an impossible state of fury upon seeing the traitor, alien and heretic. In their rage they may achieve impossible states of slaughter, ripping enemies limb from limb and ignoring all wounds completely. But while it makes them incredible warriors, it may force individuals

into mistakes such as emptying an entire clip into an enemy corpse, dropping their weapons to run at the enemy, or storm an indomidable fortress without remembering their weapons.

 

This is a double edged sword. The Holy rage makes them immune to heresy or betrayal, gives them a rage and power that even traitor marines may feel the tang of fear to fight them.

But makes them prone to misimbalances as stated earlier. They counter such mistakes by training constant discipline of will. Seargents , captains and chaplains are all who have maintaind complete control over their rage and have learned to point it in the right direction, allowing them to lead their brothers with the huge respect they hold.

 

THE INDOMIDABLE WILL: Due to their iron bodies and unflinching faith, warriors of the chapter feel no pain and are completely fearless.

 

THE ART OF REPLICAE

 

The methods of cloning known as "replicae" used by Knights Divine has been used previously by other chapters to return to fighting strenght after near annihalation and all had faced disastarous results. The replica battle brothers would develop mutation's, gene flaws and mental instability at speedy rates.

 

The Knights Divine needed to increase their fighting strenght and where load to let the galaxy rot while they developed their strenght over the years and began to perfect the crude knowledge of replicae know to the imperium. The first results where abominations, monsters of incredible power but no will of tought. In disgust chapter master Raviel sent them to the surface of a world devoured by tyranids and in the proess of being eaten of all its life. To his surprise the few hundred abominations felled a fearsome chunk of the tyranids before being killed, each reaping a tally giant even for a space marine.

 

Interested Raviel began to do more than clone, he began to alter. Slowly his expiraments bore fruit and stable clones where developed with slight increases in strenght, speed and zeal. Thus the present Knights Divine are small in number, yet powerful. Every day new clones are raised that are stronger, faster and more powerful than the current battle brothers. The only thing that stops Raviel from multiplying the chapter sixty fold in a year is the gaze of the inquisition, still slow rates of embreo growth and careful testing of the current results before the creation of others (as well as the admitidely high rate of casualties the Angels suffer when they end up destroying the enemies who outnumber them vastly rather then retreating).

 

Due to replicae the chapter will soon no longer require recruitment, and are biding their time when replicae will be perfected completely so they can reveal it to the inquisition without being declared traitors, as such an act would drive every battle brother insane. This could be the salvation of the Imperium, or the utter doom of the chapter...

 

 

 

NOTE: I did this up on a diffirent forum first and they were called Purificators, so any names in the text I missed please forgive and point out where.

[soddinnutter]

For some reason i am thinking Legacy of Kain. Possibly it is the Name Soul Reaver for a blade, Raviel as a mildly heretical leader and degenerate abominations descended from nobility.

 

Not that that's a bad thing, just thought everyone else had forgotten about that game.

 

Only big problem i can see is that the Black Templars don't have descendents. The =I= for one would not allow it.

 

only mild problem i can see is that all marines know what happens when you try experiments with clones. There is a reason why the Raven Guard is so royally screwed by it's own genetic code.

[The Normish]

Well, let's have a look here.

Already, I like the name, "Knights Divine". It sets a good tone, and it projects power.

 

The Founding Chapter is the Black Templars? I had trouble with that on my own IA. Apparently, the fact that they are so rogue and defiant towards the Inquisition and the Adeptus Terra does not make them favorable candidates for training new Chapters. Although it is appropriate to make them fleet-based.

I'll suggest for that issue a solution similar to my own, that is, to have them Black Templar-ish in style, if not in origin. After all, the Black Templars themselves are a breakaway from the Imperial Fists, so it is not impossible that another Imperial Fist trained Chapter could be inspired by the Black Templars, if that's what you're going for. My Doom Guard, for example, also act on a basis of fleets, and have a lot of Templar traits, yet are also distinctly classic Fists (or at least, I try to make them seem so).

 

Also, I'll take it by your current strength that you are a relatively new Chapter.

 

On to your recruitment methods.

I like the arena-building thing. However, does this mean that the Chapter circles round in space, coming back to the planets they visit every so often? If not, then I wonder how they get any use out of the arenas they build. I also like the academy thing. It does seem a bit wasteful to send students to the guard though, unless they're being sent to officer-level posts?

Something seems fishy about the Chapter allowing for the training of Inquisitorial Storm Troopers within their facilities. It doesn't seem like something a Space Marine Chapter would do. They then clone the blood of these people to make pre-programmed Space Marine children? Why the pretense of the arenas then, if they can just clone the ideal candidate? You may need to elaborate on the Chapter's choosing of this manner to recruit over others.

 

Fluff on Raviel seems solid.

How was he made a Space Marine though, if he thinks he'll fail his own tests? Does this mean that the Knights Divine have a much stricter recruitment policy than the Black Templars/Imperial Fists? Perhaps this explains their low number.

 

As for the Holy Rage, it seems a lot like something you might find in a Blood Angels successor, but are not necessarily Black Templar-ish. Maybe in disposition, but I don't think it would be gene-seed based. Also, remember that no-one is immune to corruption. Even the holiest warriors fall on occasion. In fact, something like unbridled rage can lead to heresy, if they are manipulated properly. I imagine that it is the job of the chaplains, to contain that.

 

As for this "Replicae" thing, I see it easily being called heretical by an inquisitor. Medlding around in Space Marien genetics is forbidden, as it is the sole domain of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Adeptus Terra. Only they get to handle the gene-seed, if I remember correctly, so I don't think Raviel would have access to it unless he was being traitorous in some way. Also, as soddinnutter points out, previous attempts to mess with the Emperor's work on gene-seed resulted in horror. Best not to tread down that path.

So essentially, if you want your Chapter to perform those experiments, they'll have to be a lot less loyal than they think themselves to be (perhaps loyal but renegade, declared excommunicate traitoris by the Inquisition but maintaining their Imperial devotion).

 

Overall, it's a strong start, and I see a lot of potential in the "dark secret" kind of future. However, I recommend that you read the Guide to DIYing, which offers tips as well as structure guidelines that, while not mandatory, are generally used. Also, the Octaguide 2.0, by Octavulg. I can't find a link to it at the moment, but I'll definitely send it your way if I do.

[Roma]

For some reason i am thinking Legacy of Kain. Possibly it is the Name Soul Reaver for a blade, Raviel as a mildly heretical leader and degenerate abominations descended from nobility.

 

Not that that's a bad thing, just thought everyone else had forgotten about that game.

 

Only big problem i can see is that the Black Templars don't have descendents. The =I= for one would not allow it.

 

only mild problem i can see is that all marines know what happens when you try experiments with clones. There is a reason why the Raven Guard is so royally screwed by it's own genetic code.

 

I was hoping someone remembers, I didnt even fully complete blood omen 2 game (game broke on me), but great game. Soul reaver=sword

Raviel= the angel guy outa the newer games

[Roma]

Well, let's have a look here.

Already, I like the name, "Knights Divine". It sets a good tone, and it projects power.

 

The Founding Chapter is the Black Templars? I had trouble with that on my own IA. Apparently, the fact that they are so rogue and defiant towards the Inquisition and the Adeptus Terra does not make them favorable candidates for training new Chapters. Although it is appropriate to make them fleet-based.

I'll suggest for that issue a solution similar to my own, that is, to have them Black Templar-ish in style, if not in origin. After all, the Black Templars themselves are a breakaway from the Imperial Fists, so it is not impossible that another Imperial Fist trained Chapter could be inspired by the Black Templars, if that's what you're going for. My Doom Guard, for example, also act on a basis of fleets, and have a lot of Templar traits, yet are also distinctly classic Fists (or at least, I try to make them seem so).

 

Also, I'll take it by your current strength that you are a relatively new Chapter.

 

On to your recruitment methods.

I like the arena-building thing. However, does this mean that the Chapter circles round in space, coming back to the planets they visit every so often? If not, then I wonder how they get any use out of the arenas they build. I also like the academy thing. It does seem a bit wasteful to send students to the guard though, unless they're being sent to officer-level posts?

Something seems fishy about the Chapter allowing for the training of Inquisitorial Storm Troopers within their facilities. It doesn't seem like something a Space Marine Chapter would do. They then clone the blood of these people to make pre-programmed Space Marine children? Why the pretense of the arenas then, if they can just clone the ideal candidate? You may need to elaborate on the Chapter's choosing of this manner to recruit over others.

 

Fluff on Raviel seems solid.

How was he made a Space Marine though, if he thinks he'll fail his own tests? Does this mean that the Knights Divine have a much stricter recruitment policy than the Black Templars/Imperial Fists? Perhaps this explains their low number.

 

As for the Holy Rage, it seems a lot like something you might find in a Blood Angels successor, but are not necessarily Black Templar-ish. Maybe in disposition, but I don't think it would be gene-seed based. Also, remember that no-one is immune to corruption. Even the holiest warriors fall on occasion. In fact, something like unbridled rage can lead to heresy, if they are manipulated properly. I imagine that it is the job of the chaplains, to contain that.

 

As for this "Replicae" thing, I see it easily being called heretical by an inquisitor. Medlding around in Space Marien genetics is forbidden, as it is the sole domain of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Adeptus Terra. Only they get to handle the gene-seed, if I remember correctly, so I don't think Raviel would have access to it unless he was being traitorous in some way. Also, as soddinnutter points out, previous attempts to mess with the Emperor's work on gene-seed resulted in horror. Best not to tread down that path.

So essentially, if you want your Chapter to perform those experiments, they'll have to be a lot less loyal than they think themselves to be (perhaps loyal but renegade, declared excommunicate traitoris by the Inquisition but maintaining their Imperial devotion).

 

Overall, it's a strong start, and I see a lot of potential in the "dark secret" kind of future. However, I recommend that you read the Guide to DIYing, which offers tips as well as structure guidelines that, while not mandatory, are generally used. Also, the Octaguide 2.0, by Octavulg. I can't find a link to it at the moment, but I'll definitely send it your way if I do.

 

Wow, thanks for taking the time to write such a long and helpful reply. Much appreciated!

They are bt descendants because inquisition got pissed with huge n umber, mildly asked for some gene seed, mildly ranted about duty to the next generation, firestorms, exterminatus, traitoris excomunicae (did i prunounce that right lol). DO u think I should put that (or some other reason) in the fluff? I whant them to be bt descendants.

 

They are not blood angels cus the psycho stuff is not gene seed, its replicae.

I see what u mean by why bother with arenas, I see a strong image in both arenas and replicae. Any ideas on how to include both?

 

As for why give away storm troopers?Well jeez why not, what are they supposed to do pod them into space or somethin?

 

They cannot be capable of doing heresy due to the holy rage, as it is triggered by heresy, witch or xeno and everything else is essentially blotted out.

 

As for going heretic, if they were to be declared so they would simply be driven insane, while that leads to some potential on writing about their heresy I like them as holies of holies.

Perhaps the replicae is kept secret until it is perfected. I mean given perfect warriors and means to refill imperial fighting strenght on a golden platter I cant see the inquisition saying no.

 

As for the name, glad u like it, I thinkl it was inspired by a lullaby that goes something like hoooly niiight, siiilent night, and has oooh niight divviiine somewhere in it lol. No wait, thats a prayer song we did in second year for the christmas concert lol.

[Leonaides]

Wow, thanks for taking the time to write such a long and helpful reply. Much appreciated!

They are bt descendants because inquisition got pissed with huge n umber, mildly asked for some gene seed, mildly ranted about duty to the next generation, firestorms, exterminatus, traitoris excomunicae (did i prunounce that right lol). DO u think I should put that (or some other reason) in the fluff? I whant them to be bt descendants. But the Inquisition dont know abou thte huge number of Black Templars... If they didi then that would be instant Excommunication.

 

They are not blood angels cus the psycho stuff is not gene seed, its replicae.

I see what u mean by why bother with arenas, I see a strong image in both arenas and replicae. Any ideas on how to include both?

 

As for why give away storm troopers?Well jeez why not, what are they supposed to do pod them into space or somethin? Chapter Serfs/Servitor bodies. and whats wrong with shoving the bodies into a plasma reactor - shipping them out to the guard is going to leave plenty of evidence that your chapter is doing strange things that the Inquisition might just want to follow up on.

 

They cannot be capable of doing heresy due to the holy rage, as it is triggered by heresy, witch or xeno and everything else is essentially blotted out. There are many different forms of Heresy, indeed your chapter is already going about several different heresies - the big in-your-face heresy might trip your marines into frothing loons, but a subtle heresy could easily slip past them, setting them on the path to damnation without them even noticing.

 

As for going heretic, if they were to be declared so they would simply be driven insane, while that leads to some potential on writing about their heresy I like them as holies of holies.

Perhaps the replicae is kept secret until it is perfected. I mean given perfect warriors and means to refill imperial fighting strenght on a golden platter I cant see the inquisition saying no.

What if they were declared heretic, but still thought that they were not heretics? Happens to other marines, and should be just as mind-shattering to them but they dont all spontaneously go insane, hence renegade units and traitors. You do know that the most famous cannon character who does this sort of thing is Fabious Bile, dont you? How does your chapter deal with basically copying one of the most infamous Chaos Traitors in existance?

 

As for the name, glad u like it, I thinkl it was inspired by a lullaby that goes something like hoooly niiight, siiilent night, and has oooh niight divviiine somewhere in it lol. No wait, thats a prayer song we did in second year for the christmas concert lol.

 

 

I'm not saying this is a bad idea, nor am I saying dont do it, but this is the sort of thing you will have to think about, and if you do it now, you wont get to the end of your IA and get upset about someone coming along and asking awkward questions when its all set in place. Fixing early wehn the chapter is maleable is a hell of a lot easier.

[Roma]

Your point 1. They dont know the exact number, but fluff states the inquisition aroximates it to 6000

 

2. Putting people in plasma reactors is bitchy, if my own marines would do that I would collect chaos in stead. As for suspicion, there are many chapters with lots of diffirent recruit methods, the cadets could be those that managed to become canditates in arenas but failed in the long run for al the inquisitin knows.

3+4 I know they would make decent heresy matirial, and maybe I will write about that, but for time being I whant them the good guys.

[Roma]

OH CRAP!!! RED ALERT!! WE HAVE AN X-RENEGADE HERE!!! GET OFF MY THREAD LAMENTERS COLLECTORS!!!

lol, had to say that, im just joking (partly) :(

[Leonaides]

Normal Chapters tend to either kill, turn into servitors or into chapter serfs their failed aspirants - your chapter actually stands out by doing something different. I'd really suggest that letting those guys out into the wide universe, with all that evidence in their bodies of tampering, is a bad idea. Even worse is that you're sending them straight to the inquisition, who WILL notice things like that, and you really really dont want to encourage them to poke deeper into your chapter.

 

And the Inquisition really has no idea about numbers. If you're looking at Lexicanium, someone's fudged it into what they think, not just what the wider imperium actually knows. As far as I recall (and its been a good 6-9 months since I last looked at the BT codex) thats Templar only (and in fact High Marshal Helbrecht only) knowledge.

[soddinnutter]

Given how much tampering the average Skitarii has this steady supply of Storm Troopers the =I= are getting must look pretty tame by comparison.

[The Normish]

Given how much tampering the average Skitarii has this steady supply of Storm Troopers the =I= are getting must look pretty tame by comparison.

Ah, but the Skitarii are Adeptus Mechanicus territory - mostly off-limits to everyone else.

 

Yes, I think the main problem here is the genetic experiments. If you want your Chapter to be the holiest of holies, then, by virtue of them being holy, they wouldn't tamper in the Emperor's genetic work. Like Leonaides said, that sounds an awful lot like Fabious Bile, who tried to clone Horus and performs experiments on himself and other Chaos Marines. And he can only really do it with any degree of success because he has the Dark gods to back him up (or so I would suppose).

As for shoving the rejects into reactors, that would depend on how well your Chapter values human life. Salamanders for example, wouldn't, but I can imagine some of the less humanitarian Chapters doing so. My Chapter, for example uses rejects as lobotomized servants or uses their bones to build ossuary-chapels in some cases. While it may be conceivable that you turn the failed aspirants into guardsmen, this could only be the first-stage aspirant failures, the ones who failed the arena fistfights. The ones who fail the actual creation of a Space Marine will either die or become crippled and broken in mind and body. And even if they don't, you wouldn't want them getting away to spill the beans on whatever it is that goes on during those processes.

For the moment you could have them as good guys, I imagine. But you should definitely foreshadow at some heresy. Like many heretics, they start out with the intention of doing good, of helping, or of being innocent. That's why Chaos can manipulate them. After all, if Horus, the Emperor's favorite son, could fall, so can anyone.

 

You could also create a huge tension with the Inquisition, which could lead to some interesting politics and suspicions. After all, if you keep the idea that Storm Troopers are trained by your Chapter's facilities, then sooner or later, Inquisition-loyal individuals are going to infiltrate your Chapter, and Chapter-loyal people are going to infiltrate the Inquisition. I see huge but interesting conflicts here that could lead to excommunication on purely political grounds.

[Roma]

Ok,first what are skitarii?

 

Since everyone thinks so, The clone templates will stay as serfs, weapon crafters, etc. Will put in fluff now.

 

Again, I know they might make good heretics, BUT I WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT HINT ON ANY HERESY WHATSOEVER! Corax did it, he failed but he did it so maybe its wrong by the rules, but not ethically wrong. Also, what is this fluff without dna tampering, what? Its just a completely non stand out ordinary chapter.

[The Normish]

Ok,first what are skitarii?

The Skitarii are sort of like the militia of the Adeptus Mechanicus, who guard there facilities and serve as an army.

 

Since everyone thinks so, The clone templates will stay as serfs, weapon crafters, etc. Will put in fluff now.

Well, we're not saying you have to do anything, merely giving you sugggstions to help you improve. If you can find a way to make your previous idea work, then that's good, and I definitely encourage that creativity.

 

Again, I know they might make good heretics, BUT I WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT HINT ON ANY HERESY WHATSOEVER! Corax did it, he failed but he did it so maybe its wrong by the rules, but not ethically wrong. Also, what is this fluff without dna tampering, what? Its just a completely non stand out ordinary chapter.

Well, the danger is that you'll make your Chapter "too special". But I don't think that will be your problem. I think mostly that even if you want to say your Chapter is definitely not heretical in any way, you should note that according to the Imperium, tampering in the DNA of Space Marines is forbidden (due to it being controlled for political reasons by the Adeptus Terra and Adeptus Mechanicus). However, tampering in regular DNA is standard practice, that's where we get cherubim and vat-grown slaves, after all.

[Roma]

Ok finished, and changed the end a bit cus didnt like it.

 

I know DNA tampering is illegal for space marines, but tha does not neccecerally make it ETHICALLY wrong. They are simply doing what they see as right, and the salvation of the Imperium. Kinda like Magnus tought sorcery was the salvation but hopefully whont end up as tragic...

 

The champions of the arena are not exactly serfs... well read it urself.

[The Normish]

Ok finished, and changed the end a bit cus didnt like it.

 

I know DNA tampering is illegal for space marines, but tha does not neccecerally make it ETHICALLY wrong. They are simply doing what they see as right, and the salvation of the Imperium. Kinda like Magnus tought sorcery was the salvation but hopefully whont end up as tragic...

Well, then they are very actually renegades. Not heretics, maybe, but definitely defying the Imperial law, even in secret.

 

Let me look at your revised things...

Looks much better, and I like how if they found out about their own illegal activity, the Battle-Brothers would go insane. But how do the high-level staff deal with it?

 

But I mean, apart from this small issue with the replicae and the bioengineering, I'd like to know more about your Chapter. Did you have a look at the Guide to DIYing? It could help you organize your thoughts and expand on the Knights Divine, while also helping you avoid mistakes and reinforcing some aspects of your IA as they are.

[Roma]

High level staff have nothing to do with it, thats where the people who are cloned and survive the steroids go cus I tought serf is rather lame when u expected to be a space marine.

All the stuff in the DIY is pretty self explanatory.

 

Renegade: Well the iquisition doesnt know so not yet.

Heretic: No f-ing way

 

I understand they are doing something wrong, I understand its renegade. IM JUST SAYING ITS NOT ETHICALLY WRONG AND THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE IMPERIUM SO THEY ARE GOOD GUYS (at least until the inquisition finds out).

[NightrawenII]

I understand they are doing something wrong, I understand its renegade. IM JUST SAYING ITS NOT ETHICALLY WRONG AND THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE IMPERIUM SO THEY ARE GOOD GUYS (at least until the inquisition finds out).

The end justify the means? Where I heard that again...? Oh, wait! Radicals within Inquisition use the same excuse. ^_^

 

Current strenght: 200, Due to the huge amount of recruiting worlds they have they always have a large amount of willing and able warriors to choose from. But the limitation is that they never have enough gene seed so they finalist places are very limited and only three to five worlds will be recruited from at a time.

- Nonsense, either your Chapter has problems with gene-seed or they have lost the significant part of it somewhere on the way. Second, ALL Chapters has more than enought willing aspirants, but they are recruiting only the best of the best...

 

Founding chapter: Black templars

~

They will then be tested for purity, willpower and intelligence as befits the codex astartes.

- Yeah, except the Black Templars have given the finger to codex Astartes long time ago. Which begets question, why Black Templars as the founding Chapter?

 

The samples taken are then used to clone the individuals, stabilising and enchancing the embryos as they develop, their brains infused with the holiest of images. The result are 13 year olds with incredible strenght, and an indestructible faith in the emperor. These are the ones that will recieve the chapters gene seed to become the greatest of possible space marines...

- Nonsense No°2.

- First, the gene-seed works on humans, so if you are messing with DNA, then the tranformation will be highly unstable and dangerous.

- Second, gene-seed rewrites, more or less, human DNA, therefore any messing with aspirants before the transformation is largely pointless.

- Third; Have you ever heard about psycho-conditioning and hypno-therapy the aspirant goes through during transformation into Space Marine?

 

He was one of the very first Knights Divine and was elected chapter master due to his tactical acumen, but he knew that he was by far not the best warrior in the chapter and considers himself impure for this.

- Apples and Oranges. Why would he consider himself impure, when his duties and responsibilities lies elsewhere?

 

He knows that if he was to be taken as a space marine by the strict methods he uses to recruit, he would have never been a space marine.

- Indeed, because 'normal' Chapters recruit resourceful warriors, not powerful brawlers. <_<

 

THE INDOMIDABLE WILL: Due to their iron bodies and unflinching faith, warriors of the chapter feel no pain and are completely fearless.

- Nice, except ALL Space Marines feel no pain and are fearless. :tu:

 

THE ART OF REPLICAE

- How come they have succeed, when others have failed? -_-

 

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Is this serious attempt of colourful and interesting Chapter or just "Ma Chapter is teh better than yourz."???

[Roma]

1. these guys actually mean it, they are not heretics at heart, maybe they are thecnically heretics, but not at heart. Dunno how many times I have to say this. NOT HERETICS! end of.

 

2. strange, i have had reports on other forums that 200 is too much for an almost brand new chapter, what do u think would be a right number?

 

3. just cus nobody managed it, doesnt mean it cant be done. I think it makes the story interesting. If u have any suggestions on how to make this more realistic (eg they found fabius biles journal or whatever) (but not including fabius bile) then id love to hear them.

 

4. Because he knows that he would never be picked if he was picked in the arenas.

 

5. its easier to teach tactics than it is to make somebody a brawler hardass, the best on a planet brawler hardass.

 

6. space marines fear failure, death with their duty undone, etc. Ask papa nurgle. These guys are too mad in battle to fear anything.

as for the feel no pain, I guess ur right but might as well point it out unless u think its a good idea to delete that bit.

 

7.just cus nobody managed it, doesnt mean it cant be done. I think it makes the story interesting. If u have any suggestions on how to make this more realistic (eg they found fabius biles journal or whatever) (but not including fabius bile) then id love to hear them.

 

8.i dont actually play with this chapter, i play black templars. So there is no point in be trying to create an overpowered chapter. Im just trying to write some interesting fluff.

 

ps. Whats aplle and oranges?

[Roma]

As for cloning and dna, maybe they found some templates on how to clone/ alter etc safely, maybe they found corax's journal on the matter, maybe they found corax in the wark?

Do u whant me to flesh that out in the fluff? Any better ideas?

[The Normish]

1. these guys actually mean it, they are not heretics at heart, maybe they are thecnically heretics, but not at heart. Dunno how many times I have to say this. NOT HERETICS! end of.

 

I understand, but we're saying here (if the others will agree) is that no matter your intentions, your actions label you as something. If I was secretly plotting against my government for example, I would be a traitor, regardless of whether I was discovered, or if I was doing it to generate more happy puppies and rainbows.

 

3. just cus nobody managed it, doesnt mean it cant be done. I think it makes the story interesting. If u have any suggestions on how to make this more realistic (eg they found fabius biles journal or whatever) (but not including fabius bile) then id love to hear them.

It's always dangerous to include real characters in your IA, especially if they are heavily influential to your Chapter.

 

6. space marines fear failure, death with their duty undone, etc. Ask papa nurgle. These guys are too mad in battle to fear anything.

as for the feel no pain, I guess ur right but might as well point it out unless u think its a good idea to delete that bit.

The absolutely no fear thing I think takes out an edge to the classic story of the 41st Millennium, that of the struggle between humanity and horror. If these guys are literally afraid of nothing, then why don't they just practice their genetic experiments openly? Why don't they just drive their ships straight into the eye of Terror, unafraid of losing? Obviously I'm exaggerating here, but it does seem like you're trying too hard to make the Knights Divine special (again, I cannot stress hard enough that you should read the guides to IA creation - they'll guide you through these early steps, it helped me immensely).

 

8.i dont actually play with this chapter, i play black templars. So there is no point in be trying to create an overpowered chapter. Im just trying to write some interesting fluff.

I don't think he means an overpowered army as in the tabletop, rather fluff-wise. Again,t eh guides warn against trying to make your Chapter too awesome. Let me give an extreme example. While you can certainly without restriction say that your Chapter is actually a Lost Legion and that the Emperor himself bestowed a lock of his hair toe very Marine, and that the Chapter also managed to revive Roboute Guilliman who now says the Ultramarines are pansies and he'd much rather be in your Chapter, then alone stopped the latest Black Crusade, it's very poor form and no-one would take you seriously. Obviously you're doing nothing that extreme, but you are verging (if I understand NightrawenII's point) on something that could be construed as unreasonable.

 

ps. Whats aplle and oranges?

It's a common phrase used to refer to things that are entirely different yet being compared. Like, "how come Julius Caesar's military campaigns were successful, but the Vietnam War was not?", it's a comparison of two things that have really no need or reason to be compared, nor would any comparison bring about any answers. Like apples and oranges.

[Roma]

Well, the first thing I wanna know is how u do lots of small quotes, for the moment im reduced to this.

 

1. Well, no fabius bile journals? Well then im at loss what to do.Any ideas?

2.thanks, I come home knowing more phrases about apples and that little bit wiser.

[soddinnutter]

Here is an idea if you are wanting to have a Legacy of Kain inspired chapter.

 

Primarch - Corax (Always depicted in the chapters art as having raven wings like the Ancient Vampires)

 

There has been much experimenting with the gene-seed to try and undo much of the damage Corax did, with very mixed success. The different types of mutant are based upon the types found in Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver.

 

The Captains are the Lieutenants from Kains Empire, pre-degeneration obviously.

 

There are 3 of the captains that turned to Chaos (Sebastian, Marcus and Faustus) and brutally tortured and murdered the company of Brother-Captain Magnus. This brings the attention of Inquisitor Ariel who is murdered by the Deamon Hash'Ak'Gik. Her chief interrogator (and secret lover) Nupraptor now watches the Knights Divine with ever closer scrutiny.

 

Chapter Master is Kain, Head Chaplain is Vorador.

 

Janos Audron could have been the first Chapter Master and, like Corax, is always depicted as having raven wings.

 

Mobeus could be a renegade Eldar Farseer who has taken an interest in your chapter or a discredited extremist monodominent Inquisitor who hates Kain.

 

Just ideas.

[Arkangilos]

Ok, I agree with Nightrawen and The Normish completely on this, except for maybe the Fabius Bile journals.

 

However, I would like to point out, that if you do tamper with geneseeds, or your chapter does use a Fabius Bile journal (even if it was unwilling) IT IS HERESY.

 

I would like to put the definition of heresy on here:

heresy (ˈhɛrəsɪ)

— n , pl -sies

1. a. an opinion or doctrine contrary to the orthodox tenets of a religious body or church

b. the act of maintaining such an opinion or doctrine

2. any opinion or belief that is or is thought to be contrary to official or established theory

3. belief in or adherence to unorthodox opinion

 

I would also like to point out, those who commit heresy will not think (most of the time) that they are committing heresy. They are often completely ignorant, as heresy is a matter of prospective.

 

In other words, with the DNA tampering that was previously discussed, they are committing heresy.

[Roma]

Here is an idea if you are wanting to have a Legacy of Kain inspired chapter.

 

Primarch - Corax (Always depicted in the chapters art as having raven wings like the Ancient Vampires)

 

There has been much experimenting with the gene-seed to try and undo much of the damage Corax did, with very mixed success. The different types of mutant are based upon the types found in Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver.

 

The Captains are the Lieutenants from Kains Empire, pre-degeneration obviously.

 

There are 3 of the captains that turned to Chaos (Sebastian, Marcus and Faustus) and brutally tortured and murdered the company of Brother-Captain Magnus. This brings the attention of Inquisitor Ariel who is murdered by the Deamon Hash'Ak'Gik. Her chief interrogator (and secret lover) Nupraptor now watches the Knights Divine with ever closer scrutiny.

 

Chapter Master is Kain, Head Chaplain is Vorador.

 

Janos Audron could have been the first Chapter Master and, like Corax, is always depicted as having raven wings.

 

Mobeus could be a renegade Eldar Farseer who has taken an interest in your chapter or a discredited extremist monodominent Inquisitor who hates Kain.

 

Just ideas.

 

A great idea, but im not actually basing it on legacy of khain. What is there is simply off the top of my head for nostalgia buffs.

[NightrawenII]

7.just cus nobody managed it, doesnt mean it cant be done. I think it makes the story interesting. If u have any suggestions on how to make this more realistic (eg they found fabius biles journal or whatever) (but not including fabius bile) then id love to hear them.

The Normish answered most of it, so I'm going just reply to this; Because the list of failures is in this case quite looooong.

#A Corax and his legion.

#B Fabulous Bill ;)

#C Most of the mixed gene-seed(s)

#D 21st "Cursed" Founding

 

In order to make the tampering with gene-seed yields 'good' results, you have to possess a knowledge, which was (most likely) lost a millenia ago with almost-death of Emperor.