Grand-Redemptor Ezkallon Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Looking for models to use as counts as chaplains for my pre-heresy world eaters force, back before chaplains. Obviously I don't want to use the chaplain models, does anyone have any recommendations? looking for something world eater-esque, as my conversion skills are not the greatest yet... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Preheresy Chaplains existed... they looked rather similar to the current ones (black armour, skull helmet etc). Or is your army set before chaplains existed at all, in which case why are you trying to make a chaplain model? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2739808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Redemptor Ezkallon Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 did they? oh, do you know approximately when along the time-line they started showing up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2739842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragax Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 As stated above, chaplains were in certain legions before the heresy started, cant find any record of when they were first introduced though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2739844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Logar is technically the First Chaplain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2739870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Well, chaplains wee certainly in Legions aroudn the time of the Edict Of Nikaea (when Sorcery/Librarians - dependant on interpretation - were banned). Also, fluff for the first Emperors Champion (Sigismund) has him having his armour repainted black during the Siege of Terra by Chaplains to show that he, like them, now serves the Emperor directly. Lorgars position might be First Chaplain in the Wordbearers (as in position/rank rather than chronology). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2739898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 If you go by the Horus Heresy Vision of war, Chaplins existed in the Word Bearers long before anything else. It was Malcador who instigated their legion wide creation with the Chaplin edict. I forget the exact circumstances of the edict but it was intended to bring the apparent unyielding loyalty and zeal of the Word Bearers to the other legions (1- no, Malcador didn't know the Bearers were already turned and 2- Lorgor found the irony quite interesting.) Based on the passage I've always figures that Chaplins became a Space Marine wide posting 100-150 years prior to the heresy. As far as a pre-chaplin chaplin for the World Eater, I can easily see someone filling a similar combat role minus the imperial rhetoric. a Sort of "Stoker of the Fires" Kind of thing. A guy who inspires/bribes/forces those in the squad to ever greater levels of butchery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2740014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Redemptor Ezkallon Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 As far as a pre-chaplin chaplin for the World Eater, I can easily see someone filling a similar combat role minus the imperial rhetoric. a Sort of "Stoker of the Fires" Kind of thing. A guy who inspires/bribes/forces those in the squad to ever greater levels of butchery. That is what I was thinking, still not sure about what model to use, as I'm not a huge fan of the chaplain models in the first place... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2740541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nachocuban Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The 2nd Dark Angels HH novel has a chaplain as one of the main characters (at the time of the heresy) I don't think he had black armor, but he did have a skull mask, and was mentioned as being a replacement for the (singular?) previous chaplain. He was in charge of moral mostly, and keeping everyone going forward. Not so much as the imperial cult of today's chaplains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2740588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belath Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The 2nd Dark Angels HH novel has a chaplain as one of the main characters (at the time of the heresy) I don't think he had black armor, but he did have a skull mask, and was mentioned as being a replacement for the (singular?) previous chaplain. He was in charge of moral mostly, and keeping everyone going forward. Not so much as the imperial cult of today's chaplains. Frankly, I wonder why Preheresy Chaplains would have a skull mask, if it is a remembrance of Emperor's suffering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2740594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 The 2nd Dark Angels HH novel has a chaplain as one of the main characters (at the time of the heresy) I don't think he had black armor, but he did have a skull mask, and was mentioned as being a replacement for the (singular?) previous chaplain. He was in charge of moral mostly, and keeping everyone going forward. Not so much as the imperial cult of today's chaplains. Frankly, I wonder why Preheresy Chaplains would have a skull mask, if it is a remembrance of Emperor's suffering. It's not hard to retcon/explain that. Prior to the Chaplin edict Skull helms were probably an ethicist choice rather then a decreed one. A sort of a "Fight to your hardest or this shall be the only face you see" kind of idea maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228560-counts-as-chaplains/#findComment-2740686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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