YourMumRang Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Hi all, I'm really considering throwing a unit of 10 Paladins into my 1750 list. I like how difficult they can be to kill but I like more how much firepower they throw out. I'm looking at the following unit: 10 Paladins: 4 Psycannons + Hammer + 2 Halberds + 2 Falchions @ 660pts Add in a Librarian with Shrouding and they can slog or DS in and enjoy some decent cover saves. Now this may not be optimal but I like it. The question is what else should I add? I tend to use Coteaz with 2 units of Psykers in Rhinos for S7 AP2 pie-plates. Then a Vindicare and 2 Psyflemen. That comes to 1543. Any thoughts on what else I'd need to make this list work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I've used a 10 man Pally unit in friendly games. I loved it, my mates hated it. Far too durable, unless you've tricked your list to face them. You won't need the Libby, thier inate 5++ will be good enough for the amount of AP2 wepaons you'll normally face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMumRang Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 List currently stands as this: HQ: - Librarian: Shrouding + Shrouding + Warp Rift + Quicksilver + 3 Servo-Skulls @ 180pts - Inquisitor Coteaz @ 100pts Elites: - Vindicare Assasin @ 145pts - 10 Paladins: 4 Psycannons + Hammer + 2 Halberds + 2 Falchions @ 660pts Troops: - Henchmen: 5 Psykers + Acolyte in Rhino @ 94pts - Henchmen: 5 Psykers + Acolyte in Rhino @ 94pts - Henchmen: 6 Warrior Acolytes + 3 Meltaguns in Razorback w/ Psybolts @ 104pts - Henchmen: 6 Warrior Acolytes + 3 Meltaguns in Razorback w/ Psybolts @ 104pts Heavy Support: - Dreadnought: 2 TL Autocannons + Psybolts @ 135pts - Dreadnought: 2 TL Autocannons + Psybolts @ 135pts 1751pts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimz Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I watched a mate use 10 Pallies and Draigo in an 1850 list, the Pallies did a solid 10 wounds of shooting each turn against a SW army. Unfortunately in the end the Pallies got wrecked by a Wolf lord on 1 wound (Seriously he saved like 7 power weapon attacks), still they really opened up my eyes. Also you might want to consider a OM Inquisitor in TDA with Psycannon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMumRang Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 As opposed to the Libby? Can't think of what TDA means! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehoel Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 As opposed to the Libby? Can't think of what TDA means! Tactical Dreadnought Armor. also known as Terminator armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMumRang Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Ah thanks. I guess it's be cheaper than the Libby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDarkSecret Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 If you're taking a 10 man I just can't see how you could not take an Apothecary it's like paying 7.5 points a model for feel no pain which can be a serrrrious pain when fighting them. But that's just me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The argument against the apothecary basically amounts to the fact that, as 2-wound terminators, opponents will work hard to get their weapons which are either S8+ or AP2- aimed at them. Either of these deny FNP, so if your opponents come prepared for your paladins, then the apothecary isn't going to do much for you. Personally I plan to try it out and see how it works for me anyway, but it's a fair argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 tried allot of combos but just can't see the benefits of paladins over regular termies in a pure GK list. They come in too expensive for my taste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 The argument against the apothecary basically amounts to the fact that, as 2-wound terminators, opponents will work hard to get their weapons which are either S8+ or AP2- aimed at them. Either of these deny FNP, so if your opponents come prepared for your paladins, then the apothecary isn't going to do much for you. Personally I plan to try it out and see how it works for me anyway, but it's a fair argument. And the argument against this nonsense is "what will piss you off more? Losing your Paladin to plasma fire or lasgun fire?". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I watched a mate use 10 Pallies and Draigo in an 1850 list, the Pallies did a solid 10 wounds of shooting each turn against a SW army. Unfortunately in the end the Pallies got wrecked by a Wolf lord on 1 wound (Seriously he saved like 7 power weapon attacks), still they really opened up my eyes. Also you might want to consider a OM Inquisitor in TDA with Psycannon Why wasn't he killed outright by a NFW? Sounds like your buddy screwed up. Thats what they make Halberds for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKorpsman Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Wolf Lords can get Eternal Warrior from Saga of the Bear. With NFW's release, that is becoming a much more common Sage for Wolf Lords and other assorted SW HQ's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Wolf Lords can get Eternal Warrior from Saga of the Bear. With NFW's release, that is becoming a much more common Sage for Wolf Lords and other assorted SW HQ's. I thought bear was standard equipment for Wolf Lords? Don't think I've ever seen a list without that saga. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 List currently stands as this: HQ: - Librarian: Shrouding + Shrouding + Warp Rift + Quicksilver + 3 Servo-Skulls @ 180pts - Inquisitor Coteaz @ 100pts Elites: - Vindicare Assasin @ 145pts - 10 Paladins: 4 Psycannons + Hammer + 2 Halberds + 2 Falchions @ 660pts Troops: - Henchmen: 5 Psykers + Acolyte in Rhino @ 94pts - Henchmen: 5 Psykers + Acolyte in Rhino @ 94pts - Henchmen: 6 Warrior Acolytes + 3 Meltaguns in Razorback w/ Psybolts @ 104pts - Henchmen: 6 Warrior Acolytes + 3 Meltaguns in Razorback w/ Psybolts @ 104pts Heavy Support: - Dreadnought: 2 TL Autocannons + Psybolts @ 135pts - Dreadnought: 2 TL Autocannons + Psybolts @ 135pts 1751pts I wouldn't call that a really friendly list. You have almost all of the nasty units in the army in a single list save purifiers. A single squad of paladins isn't that bad to deal with, most opponents will be able to take them, just not easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 List currently stands as this: HQ: - Librarian: Shrouding + Shrouding + Warp Rift + Quicksilver + 3 Servo-Skulls @ 180pts - Inquisitor Coteaz @ 100pts Elites: - Vindicare Assasin @ 145pts - 10 Paladins: 4 Psycannons + Hammer + 2 Halberds + 2 Falchions @ 660pts Troops: - Henchmen: 5 Psykers + Acolyte in Rhino @ 94pts - Henchmen: 5 Psykers + Acolyte in Rhino @ 94pts - Henchmen: 6 Warrior Acolytes + 3 Meltaguns in Razorback w/ Psybolts @ 104pts - Henchmen: 6 Warrior Acolytes + 3 Meltaguns in Razorback w/ Psybolts @ 104pts Heavy Support: - Dreadnought: 2 TL Autocannons + Psybolts @ 135pts - Dreadnought: 2 TL Autocannons + Psybolts @ 135pts 1751pts I wouldn't call that a really friendly list. You have almost all of the nasty units in the army in a single list save purifiers. A single squad of paladins isn't that bad to deal with, most opponents will be able to take them, just not easily. I think we'll find paladins to be over-rated and not worth their points within a few months. They have an initial shock factor atm taking on players new to them but within time they will be replaced in lists with regular GKT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I think we'll find paladins to be over-rated and not worth their points within a few months. They have an initial shock factor atm taking on players new to them but within time they will be replaced in lists with regular GKT. I play DriagoWing, and have been with great success since the codex came out. Paladins can be absolutely nasty to deal with. Though, as I said, most people will be able to handle a single unit of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I think we'll find paladins to be over-rated and not worth their points within a few months. They have an initial shock factor atm taking on players new to them but within time they will be replaced in lists with regular GKT. I play DriagoWing, and have been with great success since the codex came out. Paladins can be absolutely nasty to deal with. Though, as I said, most people will be able to handle a single unit of them. I'm curious, what are your tactics in regards to tarpit armies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I'm planning now to run Draigoswing... Draigos & Librarian w. 4 Paladins - Stormraven Techmarine (Nemesis force sword, stormbolter, servo harness, rad grenades & blind grenades) w. 5 Paladins - Stormraven Interceptors Vindicare Assassin G :confused: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I think we'll find paladins to be over-rated and not worth their points within a few months. They have an initial shock factor atm taking on players new to them but within time they will be replaced in lists with regular GKT. I play DriagoWing, and have been with great success since the codex came out. Paladins can be absolutely nasty to deal with. Though, as I said, most people will be able to handle a single unit of them. I'm curious, what are your tactics in regards to tarpit armies? So far Paladins slaughter witches, bloodbrides, and even orks in CC(Only the klaw is likely to be removing models). Though, I haven't ran into a true hoard army yet, looking forward to it. I also have PT dreadknights with heavy incinerators. That and as many psycannons as I can, I usually have enough firepower to put a damper on most enemy units. Also, each paladin unit has holcaust as well. 8 psycannon shots, 4 stormbolter shots, and a pieplate can do some damage, and that is only from a five man unit. Allocate overwealming force to one portion of their army at a time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2740885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Allocate overwealming force to one portion of their army at a time. This sums up EXACTLY what the GK's are about in my mind. You headhunt a specific element of the other guy's army, wipe it out and move on. Spread around and you'll get fragged, focus and fight on your terms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2741190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I wouldn't mind 10 pallies in a friendly game. They'd be ripped to shreads turn 2 when the plasma- and meltaguns drop in on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2741206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I wouldn't mind 10 pallies in a friendly game. They'd be ripped to shreads turn 2 when the plasma- and meltaguns drop in on them. And that could be the psychological victory. Undoubtedly they would be trying to claim a little cover, negating half of those which are not always in high number anyway. Feel No Pain from an Apothecary would kick in for lesser arms. Meanwhile a DreadKnight, maybe a few Interceptors or mounted Strike squads could be flanking. It is all theoretical, of course. Paladins are the classic tank. Ah, that is what a love about this game. For every move, a counter. For every counter, another counter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2742187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I wouldn't mind 10 pallies in a friendly game. They'd be ripped to shreads turn 2 when the plasma- and meltaguns drop in on them. And that could be the psychological victory. Undoubtedly they would be trying to claim a little cover, negating half of those which are not always in high number anyway. Feel No Pain from an Apothecary would kick in for lesser arms. Meanwhile a DreadKnight, maybe a few Interceptors or mounted Strike squads could be flanking. It is all theoretical, of course. Paladins are the classic tank. Ah, that is what a love about this game. For every move, a counter. For every counter, another counter. That is a good part of the game indeed. Biggest problem for that unit though, is that they can quite simply be ignored. They can only ever kill a single unit in turn, and that is what combat squads are for. Also, if they are not scoring, I'd go straight for his scoring troops, and ignore the Paladins as much as possible. Those paladins will be like 750 points, hq will be around 150-200 (or more), leaving room for two strike squad or something to that extent. People who like Palas will notice this problem in two months time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228624-10-paladins-in-a-balanced-friendly-list/#findComment-2742208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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