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Very popular topic here. Do a search for a million references.

 

To break it down quickly... two schools of thought on JP Vanguard for Heroic Intervention.

1. Full on kill

-PWs on as many as possible for the points allocated them their role + 1TH!

 

2. tie 'em up

-1 PF/TH, the rest bp & CCW

 

 

To expand on each a little.

 

1. (as I like to resolve stuff quickly and in my favor.)

Sgt Glaive

LC, bp Mbombs

LC, bp

PW, Mbombs

PW, bp

TH.

6 models, 'all different which makes them a little more survivable than if all the same and one can lean rerolls at ICs if opportunity presents), able to charge/multicharge vehicles and infantry.

 

2.

Sgt TH

9 vets with CC & Bp.

10 models so can combat squad at deployment from reserves or stay as a 10 man and charge/multicharge commonly devas and hurt them enough to stay in combat and slowly win.

 

A slightly less popular approach is to throw storm shields on some of either 'philosophy' to allow them to tie up harder units by having a TH/LC SS guy or two keep lasting. A popularly perceived problem with this is it's not as killy (per marine price) as per approach 1. Nor does it add anything versus targets like devastators for approach 2.

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How do you build you vanguards?

 

Tried a DoA list tonight and made a few fatal mistakes, mainly not having any VV's

 

So pics and ideas more than welcome B)

 

 

I use two versions and play almost exclusively at the 1750 range:

 

I) Two squads of five: Glaive Sgt, PF, 2 PW's, 1 CS.

II} One ultra-elite unit of five men: PF and SS on Sgt, 4 LC's and SS.

 

I break out the ultra-elite unit for when I know I'm going to face armies with some seriously dead-killy units that I either need to be able to bog down until help arrives, or try to knock the spit out of them with the VV, or when I run the Sanguinor.

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I've just recently started running this:

 

7 Vanguard. Sergeant has a Glaive and Storm Shield.

1 Vanguard with Thunder hammer or pair of lightning claws depending on my mood

1 with Fist and Storm Shield

4 with no upgrades.

 

A bit more killy than the simple version shatter suggested, but not as expensive as the super killy version. I can expand to a larger version by bringing both the hammer and claws guy, or with a few extra points could cut a regular guy and bring both combat weapon upgrades.

 

This could also be run as 6 guys, dropping 2 with out upgrades for the and adding the guy with the pair of claws but right now I prefer 7 bodies to 6.

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Whenever possible, I use two 5 man VV squads, with each having one pair of LC, four PWs, two plasma pistols, and two storm shields. Somtimes in Appocylpse, I put all of them in one squad, and give them all melta bombs.

It makes Super Heavys go BOOMBOOM! :huh:

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If your running 2 squads of 5 you should ALWYS run them as a 10 it cost the exact same in points, frees a FA slot and adds a sheadload of tactical options.

 

Actually by running 2 squads you get 1 free PW or glavie encarmine.

 

I run serge with glavie encarmine, 2 with power weapon bolt pistol, 2 with plasma pistol chainsword , 2 with pairs of lightning claws. I am thinking of filling the rest in with storm shields and either chain swords, power weapons, or power fists.

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If your running 2 squads of 5 you should ALWYS run them as a 10 it cost the exact same in points, frees a FA slot and adds a sheadload of tactical options.

 

Actually by running 2 squads you get 1 free PW or glavie encarmine.

 

I run serge with glavie encarmine, 2 with power weapon bolt pistol, 2 with plasma pistol chainsword , 2 with pairs of lightning claws. I am thinking of filling the rest in with storm shields and either chain swords, power weapons, or power fists.

You don't get a free power weapon. The cost is just built in to the Vanguard. Taking 10 with 2 power weapons or 2 squads of 5 each with 1 power weapon costs the same.

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You should check the same topic in BA resource section.

 

As for the unit's composition, I also like them to be killy. My latest combo is the following: TH+SS, LC+SS, LC or PW, 2xCCW+BP. 2 such squads worth 500pts in total. Hard as nails. Deadly as a hammer :D

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I've just recently started running this:

 

7 Vanguard. Sergeant has a Glaive and Storm Shield.

1 Vanguard with Thunder hammer or pair of lightning claws depending on my mood

1 with Fist and Storm Shield

4 with no upgrades.

 

A bit more killy than the simple version shatter suggested, but not as expensive as the super killy version. I can expand to a larger version by bringing both the hammer and claws guy, or with a few extra points could cut a regular guy and bring both combat weapon upgrades.

 

This could also be run as 6 guys, dropping 2 with out upgrades for the and adding the guy with the pair of claws but right now I prefer 7 bodies to 6.

 

How does the sergeant use both his glaive and storm shield? Surely the glaive is a two-handed weapon?

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I've just recently started running this:

 

7 Vanguard. Sergeant has a Glaive and Storm Shield.

1 Vanguard with Thunder hammer or pair of lightning claws depending on my mood

1 with Fist and Storm Shield

4 with no upgrades.

 

A bit more killy than the simple version shatter suggested, but not as expensive as the super killy version. I can expand to a larger version by bringing both the hammer and claws guy, or with a few extra points could cut a regular guy and bring both combat weapon upgrades.

 

This could also be run as 6 guys, dropping 2 with out upgrades for the and adding the guy with the pair of claws but right now I prefer 7 bodies to 6.

 

How does the sergeant use both his glaive and storm shield? Surely the glaive is a two-handed weapon?

 

It states in the C:SM FAQ that a model can use both a relic blade and a storm shield. So a Model can 9/10 use a glaive and storm shield, there isn't an actual FAQ to it, But see the first sentence of my reply for the closest you can get to it.

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Remember that BA pay 5 points more per SS than vanilla marines do. So know that you are getting a worse value out of SS than than you should be.

 

Other reasons not to take SS:

-VV aren't scoring units so you don't neccessarily need them to survive into the end game.

-I usually try to Heroicly Intevene into shooty units, not units brimming with power weapons.

 

Personally, I'll only put a storm shield on the sergeant if I'm running the Sanguinor (and hoping for his blessing to fall on the VV sergeant). Then again, there is the coolness factor of fielding the only model who can show up with a GE and a SS.

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I'm going to be building a VV squad for the Heroic Intervention bonus. I want to run it as a 5man squad or option to combat squad a 10man squad. I was thinking about sarg having PF and the other 4 having single LCs. I would arm the additional combat squad the same. So considering the combat squads individually, that would be 8 LC attacks reroll wounds and 2 PF attacks (Charging 12 LC and 3 PF?) What do you guys think? Does this sound killy for the 235 or so points per combat squad or am I missing something? Thanks in advance.
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Does this sound killy for the 235 or so points per combat squad or am I missing something?

Sounds overkilly to me. Who are you gonna be up against with that unit. Save some points for other units in your list. I always feel better with a unit that will not decimate an enemy squad in one assualt phase thus locking them up into your opponents assualt phase where you can finish them off. This way you avoid being targeted in there shooting phase, then on your next turn you are free to target another enemy squad or take apprpriate cover as needed. Unless this ubersquad is for Apocalypse, drop a few LC's. Get some shooty death in the unit as well. More options tactically.

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as for model wise i made captains for each company of my storm angels and any of them that have jumppacks also double as vets in my vanguard squad as well as a few extra marines. ill try to get you some piccys and post them here later. im hoping to replace my tactical squad in my 1500points list with a 5man squad.
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To people who have played at G.W-sanctioned tournies (we don't have them in Sweden I believe), how have you been allowed to use combat squads and deep strike in combination with this unit?

 

Do they:

 

a: roll a single reserve roll and enter at 2 places

b: roll a single reserve roll, enter at the same place and split

c: not allowed to combat squad

d: something else?

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