Schertenleib Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Was looking at the data sheet on GW for Stenhammer's Wulfen for Apoc. games. To use this data sheet you pay 50 points plus the points for the models. It would appear (looking at the stat line and rules) that this is taken from the Eye of Terror codex. So my question is....If I use this data sheet do I then need to use the old Space Marine and Space Wolves codex to make the rest of my army list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Was looking at the data sheet on GW for Stenhammer's Wulfen for Apoc. games. To use this data sheet you pay 50 points plus the points for the models. It would appear (looking at the stat line and rules) that this is taken from the Eye of Terror codex. So my question is....If I use this data sheet do I then need to use the old Space Marine and Space Wolves codex to make the rest of my army list? 1. This is not taken from the EoT Codex. In EoT Wulfen did not have Rending and Fleet rules. Although the stat-line of Wulfen is similar to that in the EoT Codex, it is re-printed in the datasheet, so You don't have to use the EoT Codex even for looking up their stats. Also in the data sheet they are called Wulfen Guard, not Wulfen as in EoT. 2. As to the Wolf Priest, the sentence "chosen from the Codex Space Wolves" refers IMO to ANY existing Codex Space Wolves which is in force at a given time. Currently, that would be our 5th edition codex with Wolf Priests having initiative 4. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2743515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elithren Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 The datasheet can be used with the new codex. The stats are listed on the datasheet, so it gives you the information that you need, rather then saying see codex space wolves like other datasheets do. The rending and fleet are new rules for the wolf packs so that further suggests that it is changed to be used on the new codex, not the old one since they dont have those rules in the EoT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2743560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 Okay so how many points is each Wulfen Model then? In the EoT Dex they are 24pts each. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2743578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Damn, that's true - that data sheet does not give a model's point cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2743587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 So yes 24pts each it would seem Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2743665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Notice the sheet says that the squad size is 10. It doesn't give a range of 5-10 or 3-10, it just says 10. Since the total cost of a unit of wulfen is 240, then it would stand to reason that they are 24 points per model. That's really nothing to be concerned about since you can't buy individual models according to the sheet. You buy groups of 10 or none at all, and you at least have to buy 2 groups of 10 in order to use the formation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2743817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Sorry Hallbjorn, Where do you see that on the data sheet. Not finding it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2744327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Sorry Hallbjorn, Where do you see that on the data sheet. Not finding it. Look near the bottom of the datasheet. The bold print that says "Wulfen Guard Pack". Directly to the right of that, in the same bold print, it says "Points Cost: 240 Points". Now look below all that at the last line where it says "Number/squad: 10" Given this information, it stands that a squad is made up of 10 wulfen guard...no more, no less. Since those 10 models cost 240 points, then each model is technically 24 points each. Since the squad is bought as 10 models only, the individual points cost doesn't matter. You pay in increments of 240 points for 10 models, and must do that at least twice and then pay for the formation and a wolf priest to field that formation. The sheet is telling you that you must pay 50 points, plus the cost of a wolf priest (taken from our current codex), plus the cost of two wulfen guard packs. As it states at the bottom of the sheet, a wulfen guard pack consists of 10 models and costs 240 points. Just like a few other units in our codex (lone wolves, vehicles) and others, you don't get a variable number of models in a unit. This formation would cost a bare minimum of 630 points. That's without putting anything at all on the wolf priest and only fielding the required two packs of wulfen. Beyond that, you can spend points to put things on the wolf priest or spend more bundles of 240 points to field more squads of 10 wulfen. 10 wulfen in a pack. No packs of 5 or 15 or 20 or whatever. 1 Wulfen Guard Pack = 10 Wulfen Guard models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2744784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Well Duh. Now I feel really stupid. Thanks for pointing that out. Better go look for my glasses. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2744795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 It happens to all of us. My eyesight is horrible without my glasses and I can't see anything more than 2 or 3 feet from my face with any clarity. We all overlook things from time to time. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228827-apoc-question/#findComment-2744804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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