Crusader of Dorn Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Thanks and yeah i tend to think that IA articles should set out who a chapter is and give them a flavour. Too much detail, the how, the whys the do you mind if i donts can spoil an idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2762470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 Well i'm in the process of re colouring these guys, the current scheme is abit too dark for my liking (and so relegated to be a night world operations deseign) Not sure what else to add to the IA, i know its abit scant but i do not wish to write a novel. Suggestions? A few detalied battle honours and a chapter tale/legend is all i think is needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2770659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 New chapter heraldry - What do you guys think of it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2771548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 If "not as dark" is what you're going for it works, course there was nothing wrong with the first incarnation either ... but they're your marines after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2771735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 Well different is what i'm going for. I prefer the change for ease of painting. UPDATED Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2773004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 We're gonna have to call these guys The Repainted Chapter :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2773276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 haha aye, This is the final heraldry. (purple and bone) My chapter master is half done in it, so its final. The blue metal scheme was too astral claws, and i have plans for them later :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2773285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Can I please have a pic of the new scheme with wargear (bolter)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2773306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 I will do an example marine as soon as i've finished the big guy. for reference though, the bolter casing is bone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2773342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Since we'll be fighting together in the Liber Campaign, I might as well chip in here :) Created during the 6th founding in apparent response to a review of Imperial defenses within segmentum solar as opposed to any specific threat, The chapters establisment was a lenghty undertaking. Information is scarce regarding this period as most records have recently been sealed by order of Lord Inquisitor Hess - Ordo Malleus and allegedly at the request of the Chapter itself. Founding data is the purview of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the High Lords of Terra. One Inquisitor wouldn't have the clout to seal all their records or expunge their records. There are some censored minor archives which indicate that another chapter assisted in the founding of the Marines Invictus, their exact role is unknown however.The chapter was gifted the planet of Inothia as a homeworld, they chose instead to become a fleet based force citing they would have more opertional potential. The fact that they had no immediate duties allowed the chapter to build its armoury and fleet, takng over a century to do so while maintaining the security of local systems until called upon by the Inquisition to commit to a full invasion of an ork empire lead by the warlord Graz Ironskull. This punitive campaign was hard fought and declared a success with the death of Ironskull at the hands of chaper master Rius Novus. This campaign showed the Marines Invictus as a force to be reckoned with, and their wilingness to work readily with the Inquisition has been noted. Why would the Inquisition call for them to attack the Orks? Wouldn't it be the threatened Governors and systems that would call? Or perhaps your marines attacked on their own, proactively removing the threat? It is thought that this period in imperial history was relatively quiet, giving the High Lords and supporting organisations the chance to objectively review impeial defenses within the segmentum solar and plan accordingly to counter precieved threats of the future. It was agreed that a new founding of astartes chapters would take place to strengthen the Imperium as a whole, one potential site was situated on the eastern border of segmentum solar, within the system of Tyral. The planet of Inothia was selected a an ideal location for an astartes homeworld. Generally the Adeptus Astartes go out and find their own worlds to lay claim to. With a sizeable population of tribesmen that could easily be molded into space marines, the geneseed of Rogal Dorn was selected for its purity. One chapter agreed to supply a portion of its geneseed to the establishment of this new chapter, and provide experienced personnel to train the new recruits and school them in the traditions of the Adeptus Astartes. The chapter chosen for this purpose were the Soul Drinkers.[/i] Ugh... Soul Drinkers. Not to sound like a jerk, but isn't there any other Chapter you could pick as your sire? The SDs are a stain on the geneseed of Rogal Dorn. An ancient ageis battlestation Revenant hangs in orbit over Inothia, standing forever vigilant. Where did you get a battlestation? there is no decernable reason for their worship Dorn however, something the chapter refuses to questioned about. Ummm... isn't he their Gene-Father? Wouldn't that be more than enough reason to worship him? A stern, unrelenting and proud chapter, the Marines Invictus have an obession with purity. The origin of their geneseed is unknown, the chapter have claimed ignorance on the matter though Imperial scholars have speculated that the geneseed was that of Guilliman or Dorn. This obsession with purity has lead to a sub cult built around the chapters Apothecaries. You've already said they are Imp Fist geneseed. THis whole thing can be whittled down to them liking purity, and you can remove all the nonsense about them having undetermined geneseed. To be enshrined in the crypts Luna Aris or placed into a dreadnaught is sought after fate, though most will not achieve this. Their pride can lead to unfortunate incidents upon the battlefield such as the last stand of brother-captain Hypax on the Deathworld of Verdan. Why would they want to be Dreadnoughts? Is there some sort of glory here? Are Dreads revered over others? What is the purpose of this? An element of criticism has been laid on the Marines Invictus by brother chapters for such behaviour in joint operations, however most agree that they are worthy allies. Why? What reason do others have for criticizing them? You haven't really lead into this, or explained it all? The Shame To bare the geneseed of Rogal Dorn is an honour beyond comparison, this is the view of the Marines Invictus. From the days of their inception it as been ingrained into their psyche, the chapter forged strong bonds with their parent chapter the Soul Drinkers being taught the traditons of Dorn and the astartes as a whole. It is said that the original command structure of the chapter contained honoured memebers of the Soul Drinkers who participated in the founding of the Marines Invictus, leading the early campaigns of the chapter to glory. Its is therefore unsurprising that news of the Soul Drinkers excommunication stunned the upper echelons of the chapter. Refusal to believe that such treachery had occurred was understandable, however with irrefutable proof presented to them the Marines Invictus swore great oaths to destroy their former brethern. The reports of mass mutation, chaos inspired or otherwise within The Soul Drinkers has lead to an all out obsession within the chapter. See above. Soul Drinkers might not be the best Sires for you. Especially since their validity as a Chapter is based entirely on a badly written series. Th chapter is fleet based and excell in the rapid response role, fleet warfare and boarding actions are considered favourable. A proud chapter, they prefer Infantry based warfare whilst operating planetside, utilizing codex tactics the Marines Invictus are rigid in the application. So... they are Space Marines then... The heavy use of devastator squads in close range firefights and pre-prepared killzones is a tactic used to full effect, once deployed the chapter create secure zones often independent of other imperial forces. These zones maintain fully intergrated anti air and armour defenses and act as staging areas for the chapter to advance into enemy territory. Rather tha fielding the entire chapter or full companies, it is more likely to see the Marines Invictus operate in small but compact strike forces assembled for specific tasks. So they are Space Marines that like to set up mini bases wherever they go... Other than that one quirk, the rest is pretty standard Marine tactica. Scouts - the chapters future are somewhat protected in conflicts, being assigned strictly to reconnaissance and sabotage missions rather than thrown into frontline combat. This is to ensure a higher rate of survival while not diminishing the quality of recruits. So they are Space Marines then... When larger deployments are required such as during the Despoiler's 13th black crusade in which they sent eight companies, the chapter have no hesitation in commiting whatever assets are needed. They have been known to refuse strategic orders given by Imperial commanders including fellow astartes if such requests are unfavourable. Use of terminator squads are reserved for the hardest fighting, holding critical objectives or smashing an enemies centre. When heavy firepower is needed the Marines Invictus turn to their well maintained armoured formations and mobile artillery support. So they are Space Marines then...? Your tactics all seem to come right out the Codex playbook, which isn't bad at all, just not different or interesting. Nothing really separates them from anyone else. A codex chapter from the beginning, the chapter maintain this organisatonal structure almost religiously. Their veneration of Roboute Guilliman would suggest nothing less. The Marines Invictus are known amongst other chapters as rigid upholders of the codex and are said to look on the non adherent as barbaric in nature, This view point includes their brothers of the Black Templars. This is the first somewhat unique point in the IA. They dislike people who don't use the Codex. Perhaps start with this and move outward, explaining why they love the Codex, why they dislike those who don't, and how it affects them and their interactions. While they keep to the codex, events in recent millennia have seen a rise and fall in the status of certain offices. The chapters librarians have come to be viewed with some suspicion, the chief librarian himself placing restrictions upon his own kind. Why? While in contrast the office of apothecary has been elevated in the hunt for impurity. Elevated how? Full strength of the chapter is strictly maintained, casualty reports from their various campaigns across the galaxy are often first communications sent. The induction process was designed to work flawlessly in order that the chapter would never be under strength. There have been incidents in their history where the Marines Invictus have had much more than the proscribed 1,000 battle brothers, during the reign of chapter master Paulus who declared that it was wrong for Astartes to curb their potential if resources permitted the expansion of a chapter. Such views could be seen as heresy and so Paulus' first captain challenged his master to an honour duel and killed him. To this day there are rumours of support for the late chapter masters ideals. So they obviously take in a LOT of recruits, since war is a dangerous business and casualties are always high. What separates your process of making marines from others and why is yours better? Did calling the Chapter Master cease his practices? What did you do with the excess marines? Did the First Captain become the new CM? If so, you set a dangerous precedent by letting your marines kill each other for position. Your marines lack flavor, or any sort of character. The only unique parts I have seen are that they dislike people who don't use the Codex, and they like purity. Nothing else really stands out, and even the Codex and Purity things are only touched on in a sentence or two. Needs more of who they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2775633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hey, thanks for the feedback. To kick off i''ll start where you did - The Inqiustor sealed the records, i havent expanded here but i will and the reasons for it are Inquisitorial. Expunging of the Soul Drinkers. The idea that the chapter was called to battle by the =][= was a test of willingness to cooperate, this leads on to un expanded relationship with the =][= . Chapters are not given homeworlds?? I like the Soul Drinkers, hated what happened to them in the books though. creating a chapter sired by them is my take on SD redemption. We won the battlestation during the age of apostasy, unexpanded fluff as of yet. The IA is from the perspective of an outsider, The sub sections (the founding, the shame etc) should be in those shiny red n white boxes but i dont know how to do it... These sections however give insight to the truth. It is an honour to ber interned in a dreadnaught, same is true for most chapters. The chapter is criticised by those who see as headstrong and too proud. Yes they are space marines The chapter distrust psykers in light of the SD excommunication, they know sarpedon was a libby and believe he led the SD into heresy. Also the chapter have become obsessed with purity because they dont know the exact reason for the SD mutations. The chapter has become somewhat fractured by the belief in expansion, but this is held in check by the chapliancy. There is no current threat of a schisim within the ranks. Perhaps they do lack flavour, the expansion of fluff regarding their hunt for soul drinkers and =][= investigations might add something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2775686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Flavour has more to do with beliefs than history - flavour is how they do things, not as much what they do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2775719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 I was refering more to character. Alas the marines invictus may be doomed to taste vanilla like 90% of chapters out there. Some people may be irked by this, but not me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2775925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I know you were. What did you think I was referring to? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2776051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 I dont know... Started a chater tale, The snake and the lion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2776356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 Update, added some fluff regarding the chapters inner struggle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2777190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 BBCode Tutorial Will show you how to get the "cool" headers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228960-ia-marines-invictus/page/2/#findComment-2777198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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