Brother Captain Kezef Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 When you give a malleus Inquisitor TDA he gets a nemesis hammer but if you make him a psyker so he can use it, you have to either replace the hammer or his gun with a forcesword. Sounds a bit silly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 When you give a malleus Inquisitor TDA he gets a nemesis hammer but if you make him a psyker so he can use it, you have to either replace the hammer or his gun with a forcesword. Sounds a bit silly. Well, to properly use the Daemonhammer to its fullest, you would need to be a Psyker anyways, so why not take Psyker first then Terminator armor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodus Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 As far as taking Psyker first and then TDA second it doesn't work like that sadly, it's like the Blood Angels Dreadnought debate. The order of buying upgrades in these case aren't just lists they are a series of steps if you get my meaning you have to buy TDA armour at that step, the fact you then make him a psyker automatically over-rides the previous weapon choices forcing you to swap one out. You sadly can't pick and choose what order you give them things in order to get around this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Yes I'm having this exact problem myself. given you are very likely going to want to take a psycannon if you take TDA, the way I read it you have little choice but to swap out the NDH. You do keep psykostroke grenades as far as i can tell tho :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucku Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 A Daemon Hammer would have the same effect vs Daemons without requiring a Psy roll, correct? This is a Malleus Inquisitor, afterall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Inquisitors don't make sense, they make dollars. Works better if you say it out loud. PS - Not much more to say here. There is silly stuff in this codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 A Daemon Hammer would have the same effect vs Daemons without requiring a Psy roll, correct? This is a Malleus Inquisitor, afterall. Against a Daemon, but what about a CSM IC or any other multi-wound model thats not Daemon or Psyker? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
worloch Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 A simple FAQ/Errata would address it - simply add "may" in to the sentence, and then opt not to. I think that would work best, and in friendly local games you could probably play it that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 My problem is the only dang person you can give a daemonblade to is the stupid inquisitor. Why cant I give one to a brother captian, grand master, or librarian? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucku Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 A Daemon Hammer would have the same effect vs Daemons without requiring a Psy roll, correct? This is a Malleus Inquisitor, afterall. Against a Daemon, but what about a CSM IC or any other multi-wound model thats not Daemon or Psyker? You're right. But the Ordo MALLEUS inquisitor would just be concerned about Daemons, correct? Losing the Force Weapon capability of the Nemesis Daemon Hammer fits their fluff, so to speak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2746933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraSummers Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 My problem is the only dang person you can give a daemonblade to is the stupid inquisitor. Why cant I give one to a brother captian, grand master, or librarian? Ever read any fluff, mostly from anything BUT the current codex? Only a Radical OM Inquisitor would ever wield such a tainted weapon. It is a weapon possessed by a daemon and used to fight chaos. This is where the two opposite (and somewhat waring) groups are at. "Radical" Inquisitors believe using the forces of chaos to fight it (Daemonhosts, Daemonblade, Hellrifle, etc) while "Purists" are on the opposite end of the field believing using the tools of chaos is just one step closer to corruption, this is where ALL Grey Knights fall and the codex as a whole stand. The only member that has a Daemon weapon will not "Use" it only wields it as it has been deemed the safest way to deal with the indestructible weapon. The old codex did a GREAT job of showing the lines, that is one thing about this codex that was done very badly IMO. So the short answer, to keep with fluff in the rules (kind of). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2747021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Yes, I know the fuff, I used to play with the old codex. From a playing standpoint, they gave a weapon with awesome potential, as an option to only one unit in the whole codex, and its weak-sauce. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2747056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 My problem is the only dang person you can give a daemonblade to is the stupid inquisitor. Why cant I give one to a brother captian, grand master, or librarian? Ever read any fluff, mostly from anything BUT the current codex? Only a Radical OM Inquisitor would ever wield such a tainted weapon. It is a weapon possessed by a daemon and used to fight chaos. This is where the two opposite (and somewhat waring) groups are at. "Radical" Inquisitors believe using the forces of chaos to fight it (Daemonhosts, Daemonblade, Hellrifle, etc) while "Purists" are on the opposite end of the field believing using the tools of chaos is just one step closer to corruption, this is where ALL Grey Knights fall and the codex as a whole stand. The only member that has a Daemon weapon will not "Use" it only wields it as it has been deemed the safest way to deal with the indestructible weapon. The old codex did a GREAT job of showing the lines, that is one thing about this codex that was done very badly IMO. So the short answer, to keep with fluff in the rules (kind of). Yeah I'm with you on this. Thought I may be a little more irate. I'm surprised we didn't get a unit of GK called the... I dunno, Daemoneers who all use daemonblades. Ward went on and on about how these GK are the universes Super-Pragmatists, which unfortunately makes zero sense in the context of holy space paladins who fight daemons and are uncorrupted. He has them being super pure in one sentence, sacrificing sisters of battle in the next. The GK in this book are schizophrenic. So in keeping with the fluff at large, the GK would NEVER use a daemonblade. In the light of just this codex, I'm sure every one of them would just love to use them if they work well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2747070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraSummers Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Yes, I know the fuff, I used to play with the old codex. From a playing standpoint, they gave a weapon with awesome potential, as an option to only one unit in the whoe codex, and its weak-sauce. I agree with that. I was a long time player with the 3rd ed codex as well. I really want to give it a shot, as it looks like a BLAST, but I have too much of a fluff fan and want to build around it (and like Grey Knights first and foremost) to have swallowed my pride and ran a Radical inq with Grey Knights. Thinking of having the fluff be that when they left on the mission that he wasn't like that, but something happens that causes him to slowly think more like a radical. Then again, I am the idiot that has an Excel document on my computer with a roster of every member of my Brotherhood, a little back story, and each have their name on their shoulder pad (going to end up redoing most everything with the new AMAZING plastic models!). I don't get why they decided to put the other two Ordos inq in our book. I still live by the fluff that we are the militant of the OM not all Inq! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2747073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraSummers Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 My problem is the only dang person you can give a daemonblade to is the stupid inquisitor. Why cant I give one to a brother captian, grand master, or librarian? Ever read any fluff, mostly from anything BUT the current codex? Only a Radical OM Inquisitor would ever wield such a tainted weapon. It is a weapon possessed by a daemon and used to fight chaos. This is where the two opposite (and somewhat waring) groups are at. "Radical" Inquisitors believe using the forces of chaos to fight it (Daemonhosts, Daemonblade, Hellrifle, etc) while "Purists" are on the opposite end of the field believing using the tools of chaos is just one step closer to corruption, this is where ALL Grey Knights fall and the codex as a whole stand. The only member that has a Daemon weapon will not "Use" it only wields it as it has been deemed the safest way to deal with the indestructible weapon. The old codex did a GREAT job of showing the lines, that is one thing about this codex that was done very badly IMO. So the short answer, to keep with fluff in the rules (kind of). Yeah I'm with you on this. Thought I may be a little more irate. I'm surprised we didn't get a unit of GK called the... I dunno, Daemoneers who all use daemonblades. Ward went on and on about how these GK are the universes Super-Pragmatists, which unfortunately makes zero sense in the context of holy space paladins who fight daemons and are uncorrupted. He has them being super pure in one sentence, sacrificing sisters of battle in the next. The GK in this book are schizophrenic. So in keeping with the fluff at large, the GK would NEVER use a daemonblade. In the light of just this codex, I'm sure every one of them would just love to use them if they work well. Do what I am doing. Gladly accept the new rule changes, new units, etc. The new models are great and I really like how they play even more now then ever. However, there is ZERO fluff in the new codex, none. Strange huh... ;) The whole fluff of the codex is BAD. There are lots of instances where it will say a point, then counteracts that point in either one of the stores or in a units writeup. So I just pretend its not there at all... Makes the Codex MUCH better IMO! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2747078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I think its kind of nice that they included inquisitors from the other two branches, it gives them a moment to shine. But if they were going to include the ordo xenos, they should have given him, if not the rest of the units along with him, preffered enemy against all alien races ;) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2747084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I think its kind of nice that they included inquisitors from the other two branches, it gives them a moment to shine. But if they were going to include the ordo xenos, they should have given him, if not the rest of the units along with him, preffered enemy against all alien races ^_^ . Probably because not all Ordo Xenos Inquisitors are familiar with each and every xenos race. An Ordo Xenos Inquisitor that spends his or her entire career ferreting out Genestealer infestations in planetary populaces would hardly be an expert on Orks, Hrud, of Tau. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2748201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 'twas but a jest, or art thou the fool? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2748220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 'twas but a jest, or art thou the fool? Limitations of text, sir. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2748230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Ward went on and on about how these GK are the universes Super-Pragmatists, which unfortunately makes zero sense in the context of holy space paladins who fight daemons and are uncorrupted. He has them being super pure in one sentence, sacrificing sisters of battle in the next. You're kidding right? I love the new twist. True they are pure knightly warriors, but they understand the gritty nature of the universe and, within limits, will do those things that even the rest of the Imperium won't or can't do. In a universe where all of humanity is obsessed with religious dogma, the Inquisition and the Grey Knights are a little more practical in their approach. But there are some technologies even they do not understand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2748865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Ward went on and on about how these GK are the universes Super-Pragmatists, which unfortunately makes zero sense in the context of holy space paladins who fight daemons and are uncorrupted. He has them being super pure in one sentence, sacrificing sisters of battle in the next. You're kidding right? I love the new twist. True they are pure knightly warriors, but they understand the gritty nature of the universe and, within limits, will do those things that even the rest of the Imperium won't or can't do. In a universe where all of humanity is obsessed with religious dogma, the Inquisition and the Grey Knights are a little more practical in their approach. But there are some technologies even they do not understand. This isn't even borderline, it's heresy. The new GK literally worshiped Khorne in order to stop a Khornate daemon. Period. That's not cool, that's absurd. It's not practical, it should immediately make every GK that performed that act susceptible to chaos in every way. Purity does not allow for damning acts. Knights are supposed to have some form of nobility. Ward removed any and everything noble about the GK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2748872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defiance Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 This isn't even borderline, it's heresy. The new GK literally worshiped Khorne in order to stop a Khornate daemon. Period. That's not cool, that's absurd. It's not practical, it should immediately make every GK that performed that act susceptible to chaos in every way. Purity does not allow for damning acts. Knights are supposed to have some form of nobility. Ward removed any and everything noble about the GK. I get the gist of what your saying but the GK I knew and the parts i thought they tried to emphasize where that they were not knightly, that was just a moniker put on them by others, and where in fact cold hard bastards that don't flinch at the horrible or mind shattering duties they have to perform. They get the job done. NO MATTER THE COST. They fight the horror's others never see and they may have to "think outside the box" to do that sometimes be it slaughtering PURE sisters for wards against demons Or savagely purging regiments of guard who have fought with them. You may ask at what cost? It matters not because in a secret war where you are fighting for humanity's very soul no cost is too great. TL:DR the new backround may have parts I loathe (Draigo :D ) but I do like in universe how these guys have dropped all the xenophobic, heretical nonsense and just operated under that simple mantra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2748890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraSummers Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 What are you talking about? As I have already said...there is ZERO fluff in the new codex... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229022-inquisitors-dont-make-sense/#findComment-2749064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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