voi shet magir Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Right now there are three DiY threads which exist in the whole forum, by any users. One of them is this, another is this, and this. comprehensive list. If you do not like one, you may like another. Index Astartes Crimson Gulls A man cannot stop being beloved of God. Kamnan Kkvs Ronit Many of the Imperium's Primarch-Saints distinguished themselves by prodigious displays of engineering or craftsmanship. Some created singularly refined miniatures, others edifices erected by millions of straining laborers. Each is momentously significant on its own merit and by historic association with its near-divine creator. Not all parts of that panoply can compete to have had the greatest effect on a millennial and galactic scale, and not all primarchs were equally devoted to creation. Whatever other virtues he may have shown, Roboute Gulliman was easily the most industrious man to ever live. Wherever he encountered human society, he drew it by perseverence and will to its greatest possible performance. As his marines grasped and bound together populations, so they ordained order and industry . Even though the Primarchs and the Legions' heroes are many millenia gone, and may someday pass from historical fact completely into myth, the modern Chapters must be mythic champions even while alive. Legionnaires were soldiers in wars of gods, but their gods are no longer present and they find themselves the closest available proxies for the divine. In the 34th millenium, the Agisellus barracks continued to select superb soldiers, but the best soldiers take the least interest inspiring genius, seeking justice, or innovating society. The White Scars of Chogoris also profited by the wisdom of their Primarch. Will is tempered by frustration, and art flourishes when pruned by fate. The Khan allowed fate to frustrate society, and after his time, his Storm Seers sought through the warp for the strongest willed and bewilderingly artful marines to lead their chapter. Where the Ultramarine Legion created and selected ideal professional soldiers who played with efficiency their roles in massive campaigns, the Crimson Gulls cultivate heroes. The Legion propagated doctrine and rule of law to achieve compliant, industrious society. Their successor creates the events that themselve demand and elicit new and ever bolder leadership, ever faster and radical innovation. Humanity is made to travel, to encounter new challenges, and in conquering them, accrue even greater potential. Aspirants, and individuals or families who may one day produce an aspirant, all pass at some point through Sand Lake. Lakes are incidental features in landscape, isolated and distinct interruptions in journeys across continents. The galaxy is composed overwhelmingly of void. Of all the places it is possible to be, most of them are nowhere, only identifiable as along lines between other places. A given planet fertile or barren, any anonymous rock on which there may be space to stand, is a puddle of sand in the uninhabitable vastness which humans must cross to reach it. The Sand Lake facility is a moon entirely without qualities. The space dock can service vessels, but never meaningfully receives nor contributes to their cargo. Desultory works invest the crust, and extract sufficient ore and microbiota to achieve nominal subsistence. Somewhere in this place are made Adepts Astartes Crimson Gulls, on an un-planet which is not home. Whatever talents brought them to notice, aspirants and novices all are made to toil at the rock face with no aim or reward, to inoculate them with the insignificance of individual life and the eternal struggle against that anonymity. The Chapter maintains Sand Lake for three reasons: as a hub and staging post to extend the range of their fleet, as isolation of their recruits to indoctrinate them into placelessness, and to tap into the interstellar migration of goods and labor, soldiers and refugees. It is an oblique point of contact with common industry, and allows them to understand and manipulate conditions in dozens of subsectors. From these and from many theaters of war the Chapter brings aspirants and places them in a place of impermanence and the most unelaborated society. The history of warfare is of more than the destruction of armies. It has seen the scattering of societies and the ways they order themselves. Concepts for which no other languages have words have vanished with no one left to speak of them. Wondrous monuments remain and will never be replicated, the secrets of and reasons for their construction having died with their builders. Fields have lain uncultivated for centuries when the crops and practices necessary to that climate have been dismissed and forgotten by chauvinistic conquerors. The Crimson Gulls know many of these stories and embrace them on every level. Space Marines exist to confront and destroy villainous forces at large in the galaxy, with only lesser concern for seizing or defending territory and resources. The threatening forces themselves must be defeated, not just their claims and pretensions on Imperial livelihoods. This activity the chapter pursues in the most profound way possible, epochal and cultural, removing any base of support or genitive conditions in which the enemy finds succor or formation. Not only must heretics be burned, not only their libraries, but the homes in which they plotted and industries by which they prospered. Xenos cultures, entirely unworthy of retention or study, are not only brought to heel, the conditions conducive to them and the objects of their desires are undone, scourged, salted, and removed from exploitable or available conditions. The Ruinous Four When the xenos menace occupied Polacev, and re-seeded its fields with hate, steel-eyed Chaplain Domitus of fourth company successfully led several squads in opposition. A tactical squad under Marik One-handed deployed as an armored squadron and operated by themselves in the central continent. So unexpectedly successful were they that they defeated all the occupying troops, preempting the chaplain's final suicidal assault on the xeno leadership. They have since been deployed several times in those same vehicles, as “the ruinous four:” three Predator-type tanks Irving, Imogen, and Myron, with Rowena, their supporting attack bike element. Even on the battlefield, the Crimson Gulls refute their enemies' identities and self-determination. Elusive and predatory antagonists are forced to defend fixed positions, stalwart castellans to evasiveness or committed assaults. When enemies are well coordinated and divided in specialty, the Captains conspire to draw them out individually and without support to be destroyed in isolation. When they are individually mighty, they are confronted en mass by a wall of drilled bolter fire. Whatever the method of their undoing, enemies must become alienated to their surroundings without having left their place of origin. The universe is hostile, and the Crimson Gulls seek constantly to make it more so. The Codex Astartes is an endlessly adaptable battlefield compromise between versatility and expertise. Marines of the Crimson Gulls memorize portions of it and refer to before any other authority for context and guidance. The prodigal role of marine Chapters after the Primarchs departed forces them to make provisions beyond the battlefield, even to create it for themselves. While Legiones Astartes' role will always be rapid-deployment and heavy assault, at some point the Chapter created a single office with the responsibility of taking, and controlling, the long view of history. Within the veteran company there are two captains: one with the title of First Captain, who controls the company's membership and resources; the other titled Intruder Captain, who has no resources and controls no standing body of troops. His abilities to deploy temporary squads of stealth butchers slowly throughout sectors allow him to divert and employ the tides of humanity. When differences were still few, but beginning to multiply, the queen's mother took a young maid, and went out into the heart of the delta to die. One of the grooms, who was the maid's suitor, despaired and set out after them. When he came back, he was God. The only sacred things are those the New Man made, and everything the New Man made is sacred. What He gave us obliterated and superseded us, so our persons define the bounds of sacredness. The Crimson Gulls devote a large portion of their resources, combat and logistic, to diligent and active stewardship of their Primarch's legacy. Their gene seed has always tested as properly functioning and as descending from Roboute Guilliman. However, no samples have been submitted in the time since two hundred and fourteen Crimson Gulls were purged at the Bodwy Fortress by the Battlefleet Obscuras and assets of the Ordos. No other examples of Crimson Gull gene seed remain. Squad Captain Savombo of First Company No other calculating sociopath has ever been so popular than the current leader of the Intruder Squad. Every one of Captain Savombo's predecessors in that role was selected for equal parts charisma and callousness. They command a formation which does not exist, has no exclusive resources and no regular membership. The Captaincy itself is just another position in the hundred-strong First Company and is formally inferior to every other officer, but it can commandeer personnel from any company or specialty, and never defers operational control to any but the highest ranks. Many of the Squad's Captains have been heroic assault sergeants who earned their position burning cities and purging hab-blocks. Intruder Captains of this origin have sometimes inflated their self importance and strategic reach over extended terms of autonomy and isolation. The previous incumbent had been a disastrous experiment with direct Librarian command of the squad, emphasizing its specialist nature, since the Librarium could never directly lead the chapter. Captain Savombo was a return to essentials. He had lead a Devastator squad of the Fifth Company for twenty-three years, and was a testament that brutality is best accomplished by patience and resolve. His tactical foresight and his judgment of character produced unusually conclusive results from the slow-burning operations his squad is meant to undertake. His operations have been so expansive that many brother marines aspire to take part, and so subtly interlinked that many others suspect that they already unknowingly have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Right now there are three DiY threads which exist in the whole forum, by any users. One of them is this, another is this, and this. comprehensive list. If you do not like one, you may like another. What is that supposed to mean? Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2748787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Aaaa the sarcasm... ~Gil :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2748788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Aaaa the sarcasm... ~Gil :huh: I must be missing something here... ;) Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2748789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Aaaa the sarcasm... ~Gil :( I must be missing something here... :( Ludovic You're not the only one.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2748842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Right now there are three DiY threads which exist in the whole forum, by any users. One of them is this, another is this, and this. comprehensive list. If you do not like one, you may like another. Oooookaaayyyy.... That's not actually accurate. You're allowed to not like any of the other works circling the Liber, but claiming they don't exist... well, down that road madness lies. And it's not a long road. Anyway. At first glance, this is a pretty nifty Chapter, although I'm really not sold on the name. Somehow Crimson Gulls just doesn't sound Space Marine enough, although that could just be me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2748851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Aaaa the sarcasm... ~Gil :P I must be missing something here... ;) Ludovic Voi is being silly and claiming that every liber chapter fits into one of his three examples and his written a long and entirely OTT example chapter to sum it up. While I agree all fan fluff has a habit of being a little linear I also think Voi is being a complete spoil sport and frankly a bit harsh. ~Gil ;) p.s on a side not it really is quite a funny IA :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2748939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Privateer Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2749055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
voi shet magir Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 . Somehow Crimson Gulls just doesn't sound Space Marine enough, although that could just be me. Space Marines are supposed to be red. "Crimson Gulls" is a pun that implies they are doubly red. That makes them 100% more space marine than any other chapter. Even if you insist that the second part has some other, non-color related meaning, they still have 150% the usual degree of space marine. Voi is being silly and claiming that every liber chapter fits into one of his three examples and his written a long and entirely OTT example chapter to sum it up. That's interesting. You are implying, if I'm not reading too far into this, that there are more threads on this forum than the ones listed by that OP. Is this your personal belief, or have other researchers successfully replicated your research? Privateer: come on, what? You are smart. I have a thing, a question. I have not written heavily about their androcultural practices, which is the main thing I care about. They use librarians to search the sea of souls for auspicious moments that may refine promising bloodlines. This might be seen as a ecological approach in the vein of Integrated Pest Management as a development from the Ultra's input-intensive industrial approach to civilization building and recruitment. However, they were originally Khan descendants like every chapter I think of, and they fit with White Scars' shamanistic approach to personnel decisions made by librarian stormseers. Do I change it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2749242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 That's interesting. You are implying, if I'm not reading too far into this, that there are more threads on this forum than the ones listed by that OP. Is this your personal belief, or have other researchers successfully replicated your research? I've read a few, I think they are some quite good original ones out there (certainly none i've ever done though :huh: ). And are you referring to yourself in the 3rd person? Personal belief, i'll find an example :ermm: ~Gil :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2749318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 . Somehow Crimson Gulls just doesn't sound Space Marine enough, although that could just be me. Space Marines are supposed to be red. "Crimson Gulls" is a pun that implies they are doubly red. That makes them 100% more space marine than any other chapter. Even if you insist that the second part has some other, non-color related meaning, they still have 150% the usual degree of space marine. Supposed to... be... red...? There's more black Chapters than red ones, isn't there? Or is that just 1st foundings? Bah, I'll have to check later. And I suspect the first thing that comes to the minds of most readers (myself included) when reading Gulls would be that the word gulls is also an abbreviation of Seagulls. Whilst there's probably some good symbology there, somehow seagulls and space marines don't really mix all that well. Again, that might just be a personal preference, so feel free to ignore this if you prefer. EDIT: To answer your thing-question, I don't really see any problem with adopting a somewhat unsual duty into the roles of your librarium. Although I think, if they're not Khan-sons, it might be worth shying away from using the name Stormseers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2749380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
voi shet magir Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 animal totems are usually horrible. Predatory ones aren't fierce, they just eat things that are smaller than they are and are afraid of crows. Idiosyncratic mascots at least fit with some of the off the wall things that GW have come up with and imply that there is some kind of story that involves more than just being an unenrolled native american guy and being called coyote. This is a real basic Simpsons-level concept where every team is called the Wildcats. Maybe it is a US thing where we have three choices for school mascots: horny toads, ducks, and knickerbockers Crimson Gulls imply that there was a murder in the Kmart parking lot and nobody noticed for three days, which is exactly as maudlin as this setting should be. My alternative is Blood Crowns, but that would be pretentious if it meant anything in the first place. Either of them is improved immensely by not actually being applied to red models. Oh yes, I would change them to Khanates. That also fits the nomadic, violent, and culturally amorphous quality they ought to have. I think the comparison to the Ultramarines is easier to bring in at random and does not need a geneseed connection. Like, Khan had an alternative which may be just as effective, it just isn't as visible. I am settled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2749425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Crimson Gulls imply that there was a murder in the Kmart parking lot and nobody noticed for three days, which is exactly as maudlin as this setting should be. My alternative is Blood Crowns, but that would be pretentious if it meant anything in the first place. Either of them is improved immensely by not actually being applied to red models. Well, if you like the name, then by all means stick with it. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2750090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Supposed to... be... red...?There's more black Chapters than red ones, isn't there? Depends on if they have accepted Roboute Gulliman as their spiritual liege. WAAAAARDhammer! Smurf Marines everywhere! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2750151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Privateer Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Privateer: come on, what? You are smart. I'm just surprised to be linked to at all! Incidentally, that IA contains possibly the most genuinely grim and dark things I've read associated with 40K for a long time. I'm impressed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229053-the-only-diy-thread-to-ever-exist/#findComment-2750378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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