degen1066 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Title says it all. Just trying to see how y'all play it. Was never an issue for me until GK, and my friend and I were wondering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdall Skullcrusher Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Never thought about it, but after re-reading the entry for WTT, I would say yes. Not that you asked, but I dont think Runic Armour would cover it as the wound isn't a result of a psychic attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2748420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester262 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I've been wondering the same thing myself. Also since you need to make a psycic test to do it, wouldn't the 4+ on the runic staff work as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2748635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The staff works for sure, but I'm thinking the ability of the talisman would work. I mean the wording doesn't say 'targeted with' It actually says if you are 'affected' by a psychic power. I'm not sure how you couldn't include instant death as 'affected'? Out of curiousity does it work against Chaos' Warp Time? (similar concept.. kind of.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2748656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The staff works for sure, but I'm thinking the ability of the talisman would work. I mean the wording doesn't say 'targeted with' It actually says if you are 'affected' by a psychic power. I'm not sure how you couldn't include instant death as 'affected'? Out of curiousity does it work against Chaos' Warp Time? (similar concept.. kind of.) Yes to the Staff, talisman and armor. as long as the bearer is the ony affected by the power, then they work. which is why it DOESNT work against Chaos Warp time, as the affected model isnt the Wolf, but the dirty traitor. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2748691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Now now who says the traitor is dirty, maybe hes washing himself every day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2748747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The staff works for sure, but I'm thinking the ability of the talisman would work. I mean the wording doesn't say 'targeted with' It actually says if you are 'affected' by a psychic power. I'm not sure how you couldn't include instant death as 'affected'? Out of curiousity does it work against Chaos' Warp Time? (similar concept.. kind of.) Yes to the Staff, talisman and armor. as long as the bearer is the ony affected by the power, then they work. which is why it DOESNT work against Chaos Warp time, as the affected model isnt the Wolf, but the dirty traitor. WLK Right, that's what I thought... Warp Time is actually just affecting the bad guy.... The force weapon is affecting the good guy. :P Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2748958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang of Morkai Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The staff works for sure, but I'm thinking the ability of the talisman would work. I mean the wording doesn't say 'targeted with' It actually says if you are 'affected' by a psychic power. I'm not sure how you couldn't include instant death as 'affected'? Out of curiousity does it work against Chaos' Warp Time? (similar concept.. kind of.) Yes to the Staff, talisman and armor. as long as the bearer is the ony affected by the power, then they work. which is why it DOESNT work against Chaos Warp time, as the affected model isnt the Wolf, but the dirty traitor. WLK Staff works if the offending GK is within 24" Not sure about the Runic Armor as it mentions that it protects against Psychic Attack, the attack itself was a power weapon, a side effect is the life draining. I would rule no. Wolf Tail Talisman would work to negate the Force effect because it mentions "affected by a psychic power", it does not need to be directly an attack it could be a side effect. Also, the WTT entry mentions "If a model with WTT of the unit he is with ios affected by a psychic power" Meaning that in a multi-wound squad such as TWC, if the squad has an HQ with WTT attached to it, the whole TWC could benefit from a save versus the force effect of the GK. HOWEVER the save does not protect from the wound caused by the power weapon itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2748975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Fang of Morkai: looking at it, your right on the wording, so let me restate what i said: yes to staff and tail. no to the talisman. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Fang of Morkai: looking at it, your right on the wording, so let me restate what i said: yes to staff and tail. no to the talisman. WLK You mean yes to staff and tail and no to armor? Tail and talisman are the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Fang of Morkai: looking at it, your right on the wording, so let me restate what i said: yes to staff and tail. no to the talisman. WLK You mean yes to staff and tail and no to armor? Tail and talisman are the same. GAH! somedays, i cant do anything right... YES to staff and talisman NO to armor. hopefully this is my last screwup in this thread. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I would say no. Force weapons are power weapons that grant a psychic power. That power retroactively inflicts instant death on a model that was wounded. You would get the 4+ to negate the power going off, and the 5+ to stop it from affecting the unit with the instant-death property, but the wounds themselves couldnt use this as a save. Youd need a proper invulnerable save for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Bahaha No worries brother, just sounds like you need an ale Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Bahaha No worries brother, just sounds like you need an ale not too many though, heading out to see THOR soon! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Bahaha No worries brother, just sounds like you need an ale not too many though, heading out to see THOR soon! WLK I really dug it, it had it's own feel compared to iron man and hulk, and the warriors three is all over it! As the question has been answered, my add set in. sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Bahaha No worries brother, just sounds like you need an ale not too many though, heading out to see THOR soon! WLK I really dug it, it had it's own feel compared to iron man and hulk, and the warriors three is all over it! As the question has been answered, my add set in. sorry. just got home,also dug it. the W3 were pretty cool, but seeing Thor cut loose a few times as me itching for more! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2749855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Heimdall was were it was at for me. Did you guys watch it through the credits for the sneak peek? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2750225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Heimdall was were it was at for me. Did you guys watch it through the credits for the sneak peek? Duh. i NEVER leave a Marvel movie before the "suprise" ending. thought it was cool, but not the usual golly of the iron man series. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2750392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voracioustigger Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 I would say no. Force weapons are power weapons that grant a psychic power. That power retroactively inflicts instant death on a model that was wounded. You would get the 4+ to negate the power going off, and the 5+ to stop it from affecting the unit with the instant-death property, but the wounds themselves couldnt use this as a save. Youd need a proper invulnerable save for that. I think this is the right answer I think the important question to ask is... Is the ability DIRECTLY affecting the unit or is it BUFFING the enemy, which INDIRECTLY affects the unit. Something like Hammerhand BUFFS the unit THEN causes the wounds, but the Force weapon ability is a test that directly and immediately affects the unit (though I suppose a weak argument could be made that attacks by lower I force weapons are buffed attacks from the previous activation and therefore a unit buff). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2750403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Bahaha No worries brother, just sounds like you need an ale not too many though, heading out to see THOR soon! WLK I really dug it, it had it's own feel compared to iron man and hulk, and the warriors three is all over it! As the question has been answered, my add set in. sorry. I thought the W3 were represented well in the Ragnar series. Or did you not see that in the Wolfblade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229144-wolf-tail-talisman/#findComment-2750540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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