henrywalker Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 what do we think of Valeria? she's got some interesting stuff going on but not really enough to make her worth while i would say. any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
genesis_rhapsod0s Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I kind of like her personally. With access to the Graviton Beamer and the Hyperstone Maze if you give her the right retinue she'll be golden. A few MM servitors and some Warrior acolytes to soak up wounds and she looks rather promising. Although she is very very expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I kind of like her personally. With access to the Graviton Beamer and the Hyperstone Maze if you give her the right retinue she'll be golden. A few MM servitors and some Warrior acolytes to soak up wounds and she looks rather promising. Although she is very very expensive. And let's not forget that she can't hurt herself. The cleverness that is proof-reading made sure that those attacks always miss her. I kind of like her personally. With access to the Graviton Beamer and the Hyperstone Maze if you give her the right retinue she'll be golden. A few MM servitors and some Warrior acolytes to soak up wounds and she looks rather promising. Although she is very very expensive. And let's not forget that she can't hurt herself. The cleverness that is proof-reading made sure that those attacks always miss her. edit: Eeeer, that was wrong. She can't hurt herself with double rolls of 1-3, as those obviously miss^^. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Personally, I hate her but I fully admit it is totally fluff related. Something just bothers me about a Xenos Inquisitor using xenos tech. It smacks of Hypocrite Diabolis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Doesn't that just make her a radical? Like Inqs using Chaos to fight Chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 And let's not forget that she can't hurt herself. The cleverness that is proof-reading made sure that those attacks always miss her. how so? I think she's good, but in a GK army HQ slots are tight - maybe in bigger games with more space. The maze could be good and a str10 ap1 one shot is always useful... ~Gil :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostLegion Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 heh. personally I kinda like the idea of hyperstone-oops-be-gone syndrome. but then i have my valeria model in front of me and am trying to resculpt the hair right so im hardly impartial here.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Doesn't that just make her a radical? Like Inqs using Chaos to fight Chaos. Sure it does, but I don't like those heretics either. ;) I'm a puritan all the way. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Doesn't that just make her a radical? Like Inqs using Chaos to fight Chaos. It doesn't just make her a radical it makes her basically the most high profile radical in the inquisition due to her conflict with inquisition Darkhammer. Her fluff basically suggests that this is the closest the inquisition has ever come to a split. Radical vs puritan conflicts are generally met with a policy of non interference by the GK and other non invested inquisitors, however the Valeria/Darkhammer conflict is growing to the point where others may be forced to choose sides! This appears to be made worse by the fact that Darkhammer appears to be a bit of an a hole even by puritan standards, whereas Valeria is in relatively good status and standing for a radical, which makes the politics and ideology of who to side with even more difficult to weigh up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 For lulz? Yeah sure. I mean it'd be amusing if she put Calgar, or a Bloodthirster, or a Warhound into a Hyperstone Maze. For reals? Never Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 She has a cool as hell name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 And let's not forget that she can't hurt herself. The cleverness that is proof-reading made sure that those attacks always miss her. how so? I think she's good, but in a GK army HQ slots are tight - maybe in bigger games with more space. The maze could be good and a str10 ap1 one shot is always useful... ~Gil ^_^ Because you've already rolled to hit. The attacks are then aimed at her, and she has the same WS as herself (duh xD). She will then have missed herself on rolls of 1-3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 And let's not forget that she can't hurt herself. The cleverness that is proof-reading made sure that those attacks always miss her. how so? I think she's good, but in a GK army HQ slots are tight - maybe in bigger games with more space. The maze could be good and a str10 ap1 one shot is always useful... ~Gil ^_^ Because you've already rolled to hit. The attacks are then aimed at her, and she has the same WS as herself (duh xD). She will then have missed herself on rolls of 1-3. so she does still hit herself sometimes... :D... ~Gil :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Blood Donator Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 And let's not forget that she can't hurt herself. The cleverness that is proof-reading made sure that those attacks always miss her. how so? I think she's good, but in a GK army HQ slots are tight - maybe in bigger games with more space. The maze could be good and a str10 ap1 one shot is always useful... ~Gil ^_^ Because you've already rolled to hit. The attacks are then aimed at her, and she has the same WS as herself (duh xD). She will then have missed herself on rolls of 1-3. so she does still hit herself sometimes... :D... ~Gil :D Yeah, that's why I edited. Dunno why I didn't edit it completely. But hey, the odds of her doing it now are much decreased. I wonder how her re-rolls against saves work. Or rather, do they "work" on herself^^? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2749942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Doesn't that just make her a radical? Like Inqs using Chaos to fight Chaos. Sure it does, but I don't like those heretics either. B) I'm a puritan all the way. :D You just haven't seen the light yet ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 For me she is underwhelming compared to the awesome that is Coteaz! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Great things come in small packages. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiiiddd Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Question would she have a normal 5 atks or 6 because of the CCW+Pistol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Question would she have a normal 5 atks or 6 because of the CCW+Pistol yes, she has a the dagger (a power weapon with other bits and bobs) + the laspistol, so +1a ~Gil :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 If you want a close combat expert you're better paying the extra 10 points to get a Brother Captain (and we know that few people would use them). Toughness 4, with a 3++ in melee means he's survivable, and he can inflict instant death on initiative 5. Inquisitors (even Valeria) are sub standard melee experts, their main strength coming from their ability to add hammerhand to a combat squad. Valeria doesn't have hammerhand and she's way too expensive for a toughness 3 model with a 4++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 She has a cool as hell name. She does. Unfortunately for me, her arrival made me change the name of the main character in my Grey Knights novel from Valerian to Hyperion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 If you want a close combat expert you're better paying the extra 10 points to get a Brother Captain (and we know that few people would use them). Toughness 4, with a 3++ in melee means he's survivable, and he can inflict instant death on initiative 5. Inquisitors (even Valeria) are sub standard melee experts, their main strength coming from their ability to add hammerhand to a combat squad. Valeria doesn't have hammerhand and she's way too expensive for a toughness 3 model with a 4++. but if you hyperstone maze something thats pretty cool :P, plus graviton beamer a tank and suddenly she's making her points back and the some.... :) She has a cool as hell name. She does. Unfortunately for me, her arrival made me change the name of the main character in my Grey Knights novel from Valerian to Hyperion. That's a shame, but I can't be too disappointed as It means I get to look forward to an ADB GK novel! ~Gil :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordrak Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 If you want a close combat expert you're better paying the extra 10 points to get a Brother Captain (and we know that few people would use them). Toughness 4, with a 3++ in melee means he's survivable, and he can inflict instant death on initiative 5. Inquisitors (even Valeria) are sub standard melee experts, their main strength coming from their ability to add hammerhand to a combat squad. Valeria doesn't have hammerhand and she's way too expensive for a toughness 3 model with a 4++. but if you hyperstone maze something thats pretty cool :lol:, plus graviton beamer a tank and suddenly she's making her points back and the some.... :P If you get to Hyperstone Maze a worthwhile IC or MC, survive AND Graviton Beamer a tank you truly are a lucky LUCKY man...love her to bits but you're going to get shot before you get to do both... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2750979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 If you want a close combat expert you're better paying the extra 10 points to get a Brother Captain (and we know that few people would use them). Toughness 4, with a 3++ in melee means he's survivable, and he can inflict instant death on initiative 5. Inquisitors (even Valeria) are sub standard melee experts, their main strength coming from their ability to add hammerhand to a combat squad. Valeria doesn't have hammerhand and she's way too expensive for a toughness 3 model with a 4++. but if you hyperstone maze something thats pretty cool :lol:, plus graviton beamer a tank and suddenly she's making her points back and the some.... :) If you get to Hyperstone Maze a worthwhile IC or MC, survive AND Graviton Beamer a tank you truly are a lucky LUCKY man...love her to bits but you're going to get shot before you get to do both... Any particular reason she wouldn't be hiding in a squad and/or transport to get protection from shooting? Unless you're up against the likes of Telion or a Vindicare your ICs should be relatively safe from enemy shooting (and even against them, her three wounds and 4++ give her a decent amount of durability). Also, her T3 can be mitigated by attaching her to a GK squad thanks to majority toughness; instant death is still an issue, but unless she's being singled out in cc it's not that hard to just allocate any strength 6 or higher wounds to other models in her attached squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2751131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordrak Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Any particular reason she wouldn't be hiding in a squad and/or transport to get protection from shooting? Unless you're up against the likes of Telion or a Vindicare your ICs should be relatively safe from enemy shooting (and even against them, her three wounds and 4++ give her a decent amount of durability). Also, her T3 can be mitigated by attaching her to a GK squad thanks to majority toughness; instant death is still an issue, but unless she's being singled out in cc it's not that hard to just allocate any strength 6 or higher wounds to other models in her attached squad. Wasn't saying it is not possible but even you have to admit the chances of doing both is highly unlikely against any player worth their salt... Hyperstone Maze: She has to be in base contact with IC or MC, so she can be singled out by them, she is I4 so striking with or after most ICs (who will i'm sure know what's coming and will direct their attacks at her), if she makes it out of combat without being Instakilled very lucky. Graviton Beamer: One shot S10 AP1 great you shoot tank, penetrate and destroy it, your lovely unit can no longer charge and must now take a turn of shooting on them, same goes if she is in a chimera ok she can shoot out the hatch but then that can be popped fairly easily in the next phase, again not impossible but you have to be very lucky... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229209-so-what-about-inquisitor-valeria/#findComment-2751163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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