Augssan Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I was hopping someone had done the math on psycannons vs. armour. My math is ok but not good enough to get the numbers breakdown like those mathammer gurus out there. I know they are good but my friend and myself had a conversation about it but all we could do is guess on how good they really are. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 after a meltagun in half range they are the best anti tank weapon in the game when in range of course. with 4 shots per cannon assumed (half results if moving them on a power armored model) you will average 2.64 hits now to armour values. Ill compare it to a lascannon for you to give you some idea of its power. Lascannon is the first No Psycannon is the second mate. All these numbers are the amount of pens and glances not percentage chances although it's very easy to convert. AV 10 Las Glances .11 Las Pens .55 Psy Glances .44 Psy Pens 1.32 AV 11 Las Glances .11 Las Pens .44 Glances .44 Pens .88 AV 12 Las Glances .11 Las Pens .33 Glances .44 Pens .44 AV 13 Las Glances .11 Las Pens .22 Glances .0 Pens .44 AV 14 Las Glances .11 Las Pens .11 Glances .1466 Pens .2933 It is roughly twice as effective in most cases as a lascannon. Note range difference though which counts for a lot Regards, Crynn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2752991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Crynn wins the internets for today. Or yesterday, rather. Thanks for that, sir! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2753094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankred Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 http://www.abload.de/thumb/chancesensd.png I made the math and visualized it in a chart. How to use: For a glance you just look in the bottom line for your weapon strength and go straight up to the AV (red), now look left an you can read your percentile chance of scoring a glance. If you go down one line, and then left (green), you can see your chance of penetrating. http://www.abload.de/thumb/chancesexample4pvn.png Hope you understand how it works :lol: Edit: You´re right, with the glancing hits . . . (As a whoile, it is not meant to represent special weapon, just simple, unmodified ones.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2753151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 The chart is somewhat simplistic, as it doesn't take into account things Ballistic Skill, Rending, Melta and such. Also, with your example of S6 vs AV10, you'd only have a 16.66% chance of scoring a glance. The 50% is the chance to glance + the chance to penetrate. I can recommend the Heresy Combat Calculator, I have yet to find a fault in its calculations, and it is very complete. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2753165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I can't make heads or tails of that chart. What is it supposed to be representing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2753322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augssan Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 Great thanks for the information! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2753403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Crynn wins the internets for today. Or yesterday, rather. Thanks for that, sir! Anytime good sir. If you need something more indepth or if you would like it compared to other weapons like meltas I can do that for you no problems. Good luck killing many vehicles with all your psycannons! Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2754194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptphoenixck Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 after a meltagun in half range they are the best anti tank weapon in the game when in range of course. Excepting a railgun of course Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2754948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 after a meltagun in half range they are the best anti tank weapon in the game when in range of course. Excepting a railgun of course Even then it is debatable. The psycannon is much better against low armor and a little worse against high armor. Overall I still think it is a little better as I haven't even added the fact that the psy cannon puts down many more glancing hits than a railgun, I just looked at the pens and I have taken into account the AP1 of the rail gun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229447-mathammer-psycannons/#findComment-2755632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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