Seahawk Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Just had a thought: Auto-targeting system (for the Hydra) says: "Similarly, bikes cannot claim the cover save gained due to turbo-boosting against shots fired by the Hydra." The key is that Necron scarabs are not bikes, they are swarms. However, they can move like jetbikes and thus turbo-boost, a common tactic. Could one, by the letter of the rules, then say the Hydra's ability does not work when shooting at scarabs that turbo-boosted? Personally, my vote is "it's turbo-boosting either way, so no save" but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 RAW, they are not bikes and so would still get their save. But the argument could be made that RAI is the Hydra ignores cover saves generated from moving 18" or more, including scarabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 bikes and jetbikes move pretty much the same way.. in terms of turbo-boosting they use the same rules IIRC. id say it covered them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Bikes and jetbikes are the same class of unit; Scarabs are not in that class, they are Swarms. They simply "move as". I do agree that the Hydra rule should apply, but RAW doesn't support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Bikes and jetbikes are the same class of unit; Scarabs are not in that class, they are Swarms. They simply "move as". I do agree that the Hydra rule should apply, but RAW doesn't support it. Have to agree there; other examples like CSM wings allowing a unit to move as jump infantry show that RAW does make a distinction between "move as" and "is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Shoddy wording, but the FAQ is quite clear- they are still classed as infantry, and thus cannot actually be 'bikes'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Oh right, not swarms, Infantry :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yep, that's what I figured. Meh, our group will play with "ignoring all turbo-boost" saves, but I knew it just wasn't quite right with the scarabs, among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yep, that's what I figured. Meh, our group will play with "ignoring all turbo-boost" saves, but I knew it just wasn't quite right with the scarabs, among other things. Theres an argument to made here that they may have just not realized that anything other than bikes and skimmers could turbo boost. It doesnt really change anything but yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I think its quite likely the case. Certainly my group plays with it ignoring skimmers, flyers, and necrons turboboosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 We play it as any Turboboost/ Flat out generated save is negated by the Hydra, Scarabs arent the only nonebike unit that can generate one, DE Hellions can also do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonFury Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 We play it as any Turboboost/ Flat out generated save is negated by the Hydra, Scarabs arent the only nonebike unit that can generate one, DE Hellions can also do it. Hellions are jump infantry, there is nothing in their rules about turbo boosting or anything similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 We play it as any Turboboost/ Flat out generated save is negated by the Hydra, Scarabs arent the only nonebike unit that can generate one, DE Hellions can also do it. Hellions are jump infantry, there is nothing in their rules about turbo boosting or anything similar. I have a feeling he was referring to Reaver jetbikes. They fly, they're pointy, and they'll get killed by the Emperor's Chosen, what's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Reaver Jetbikes are bikes, so are already included in the hydras rules... thats the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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